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[Irace86.2.0]

I’ve heard people float the idea of “no shirt, no shoes, no vaccine, no service” before, but some people have taken that to a different level. Some people are saying if you are unvaccinated and that is by choice that you shouldn’t be taking up hospital beds from other people that can’t have elective surgeries to ease their back pain or cancer pain from that tumor pressing on their spine or those tonsils that are swollen and aching or whatever it may be, whether that is a someone waiting in the ER for an ICU bed or surgical time or whatever.

As a healthcare worker, we are here to treat whoever comes to the ER, regardless of race, gender, age, sex, ethnicity, ability to pay, or vaccination status, and we will treat patients in a triage fashion, attending to the sickest first, but with that said, there is a point. People are selfishly not getting vaccinated and then selfishly taking a hospital bed away from others that didn’t have the choice they had to avoid the hospital by simply taking a vaccine. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe anyone on this side is saying tough luck and the unvaccinated should just stay home; definitely seek care if you need it, but consider others.

This is ironic to say, since considering others is exactly the problem with those who are maskless and unvaccinated, but aren’t these people glad others aren’t just as selfish? Believe me, hospitals make a ton more money on elective surgeries, and they have lost workers to COVID and lost money on extra equipment and on paying for the personnel needed to manage isolation patients. They would love to wipe themselves of this pandemic and go back to business as usual. If they could just deny admission to unvaccinated patients and declare that they are all inherently AMA patients by not getting vaccinated then they would, if they were selfish like the unvaccinated. Then they could go back to serving the rest of society that actually didn’t have a choice to go to the ER.

On that fact, in many ways the staff often see unvaccinated patients like the disruptive drunk homeless guy or the meth head dealing with acute psychosis. It is the patient that needs help, but it kind of seems like they are just there because of their own selfish pursuits, and they are occupying a bed and way more time and resources than they deserve or compared to other more needy and deserving patients. Just saying.

[Sapphireho]

Nun, heute Morgen geht es mir gut. Meine Schulter tut etwas weh, aber ansonsten glaube ich nicht, dass ich irgendwelche Nebenwirkungen von der Impfung habe.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Nun, heute Morgen geht es mir gut. Meine Schulter tut etwas weh, aber ansonsten glaube ich nicht, dass ich irgendwelche Nebenwirkungen von der Impfung habe.

Good to hear this!

[reni]

Increase of violence and threats against healthcare workers by anti-vaxxers:

They risk their lives to protect people from COVID, and yet face ridicule and attacks

Medical groups denounce bullying, attacks on health-care workers

Anti-vaxxer attacks on London health staff ‘are on the rise’

'Tinpot' anti-vaxxer attacks Vic nurses

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I’ve heard people float the idea of “no shirt, no shoes, no vaccine, no service” before, but some people have taken that to a different level. Some people are saying if you are unvaccinated and that is by choice that you shouldn’t be taking up hospital beds from other people that can’t have elective surgeries to ease their back pain or cancer pain from that tumor pressing on their spine or those tonsils that are swollen and aching or whatever it may be, whether that is a someone waiting in the ER for an ICU bed or surgical time or whatever.

As a healthcare worker, we are here to treat whoever comes to the ER, regardless of race, gender, age, sex, ethnicity, ability to pay, or vaccination status, and we will treat patients in a triage fashion, attending to the sickest first, but with that said, there is a point. People are selfishly not getting vaccinated and then selfishly taking a hospital bed away from others that didn’t have the choice they had to avoid the hospital by simply taking a vaccine. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe anyone on this side is saying tough luck and the unvaccinated should just stay home; definitely seek care if you need it, but consider others.

This is ironic to say, since considering others is exactly the problem with those who are maskless and unvaccinated, but aren’t these people glad others aren’t just as selfish? Believe me, hospitals make a ton more money on elective surgeries, and they have lost workers to COVID and lost money on extra equipment and on paying for the personnel needed to manage isolation patients. They would love to wipe themselves of this pandemic and go back to business as usual. If they could just deny admission to unvaccinated patients and declare that they are all inherently AMA patients by not getting vaccinated then they would, if they were selfish like the unvaccinated. Then they could go back to serving the rest of society that actually didn’t have a choice to go to the ER.

On that fact, in many ways the staff often see unvaccinated patients like the disruptive drunk homeless guy or the meth head dealing with acute psychosis. It is the patient that needs help, but it kind of seems like they are just there because of their own selfish pursuits, and they are occupying a bed and way more time and resources than they deserve or compared to other more needy and deserving patients. Just saying.

Same point could be made for those who have chosen to live an unhealthy lifestyle with no physical activity and poor eating habits, substance abuse, smoking, etc who are morbidly obese and suffering from CHF, renal failure, liver disease, lung disease/cancer etc. After all, it was their personal/lifestyle choices that lead to their health status.

Especially those who have such conditions and demonstrate little to no motivation to recover or regain independence, and would rather stay in bed and being cared for 24/7. (I see patients like this daily)

But nobody talks about that.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

But nobody talks about that.

I wouldn't say that.

All those persons pay a price to some extent. Insurance premiums (including health and life) are higher, they obviously have their share of the hospital costs, etc.

(Yes, just like the unvaccinated at Delta Air Lines that will pay a $200 a month penalty, persons that are overweight, smoke, etc often do not get discounts on insurance offered by employers for "wellness" programs, so health insurance costs them more)

You could extend this to anything. A fit runner who drops dead in the middle of a run from a heart attack for pushing themselves to far (Jim Fixx comes to mind) would fall into the same category.

In the end, @Irace86.2.0 was very clear he did not condone this but it is something that passes through the thought process.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Same point could be made for those who have chosen to live an unhealthy lifestyle with no physical activity and poor eating habits, substance abuse, smoking, etc who are morbidly obese and suffering from CHF, renal failure, liver disease, lung disease/cancer etc. After all, it was their personal/lifestyle choices that lead to their health status.

Especially those who have such conditions and demonstrate little to no motivation to recover or regain independence, and would rather stay in bed and being cared for 24/7. (I see patients like this daily)

But nobody talks about that.

Oh they get some grief. In fact, I already mentioned several others like the drunks and meth heads, but others get it too. Smokers hear it. I hear it for riding a motorcycle. Everyone hears it, and to an extent, it is no different when there are clear abuses and not just unavoidable genetic predispositions, but then again, there is a difference, right? If I could take a vaccine that made me immune from traffic accidents, or immune from gaining weight, or allowed me to smoke without recourse, etc, and then I chose not to take this simple and free prophylactic, and what’s more, if I was part of a demographic that was so sick and so prevalent that I was hoarding healthcare resources then again, that would be different, but this is not the case. On any given day, the vast majority of patients coming into the ER are not non-compliant patients that are refusing their daily medications, denying their diagnosis exists, taking huge amounts of resources when a single or two shot vaccination would have avoided their hospitalization, so it isn’t even close to comparable.

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Oh they get some grief. In fact, I already mentioned several others like the drunks and meth heads, but others get it too. Smokers hear it. I hear it for riding a motorcycle. Everyone hears it, and to an extent, it is no different when there are clear abuses and not just unavoidable genetic predispositions, but then again, there is a difference, right?

I wonder if "everyone" hears it? This comes full circle to a post I made about the AIDS epidemic that's killed more people worldwide over time than COVID, and the CDC says that about two-thirds of the US deaths are directly attributable to known risky behavior among men. Would an HIV positive patient get any grief? Of course not, nor should they, nor should they or others lose any civil liberties by questionable emergency decrees that don't seem to be working as planned to lessen COVID infections, vaccinated or not, like Israel is seeing currently.

[Atmo]

Back to Ivermectin. An MD writes a broad brush analysis with references about why Ivermectin should be given more serious consideration.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opin...5bf4978c6.html

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by Atmo

Back to Ivermectin. An MD writes a broad brush analysis with references about why Ivermectin should be given more serious consideration.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opin...5bf4978c6.html

Thanks for posting that; great piece. Several of the links in that article were the same ones I had posted several pages ago, confirming the effectiveness of ivermectin on the NIH site as well as others. The unfortunate reality is that you have to actively search diligently to find these results as they are still buried by the mountain of hits still inaccurately referring to the Rolling Stone story as if it weren't a complete fabrication, citing the ivermection poisoning calls as percentages rather than the incredibly small and insignificant absolute numbers they truly are (and ignoring the fact that NONE of those literally handful of calls are from patients taking doctor-prescribed ivermectin meant for humans), and a host of other dis- and misinformation.

Even sadder is that, with one opening monologue, Kimmel.has propagated and reinforced this garbage and buried the truth to his viewership.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...urn-late-night

He also advocates denying medical care for those who have not been vaccinated. So much for universal health care.

[wbradley]

I'm not sure why Ivermectin is thought to alleviate Covid19 symptoms or where the idea arose. The results of hundreds of small scale clinical attempts to derive some benefit will compile over a period of time, but in the meantime I'd give it the little attention it rightly deserves. Get back to me in a couple years. That is unless it looks so promising that it's producer will finance a massive clinical trial, which takes years unless done on an unprecedented scale. I don't see the medical establishment falling over itself over this one. Prove me wrong.

Find a new word to latch onto. It will be equally helpful at this stage. Rumplestiltskin. Allen Iverson.

[p1l0t]

Wow, are we resorting to deleting links that don't fit the narrative now? Or is my phone just being weird?

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[weederr33]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Wow, are we resorting to deleting links that don't fit the narrative now? Or is my phone just being weird?

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Eh, there's been far worse lies under oath than Fauci's if true.

[Lantanafrs2]

In the unwoke evil empire of Florida, covid cases are beginning to decrease as are hospitalizations. Hopefully the delta surge doesn't migrate to the north. Too many people doing the right thing up there