follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Speed By Design
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > FT86CLUB Shared Forum > Regional Forums > Southern California

Southern California SoCal


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-13-2020, 02:42 AM   #15
Rookie_34
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Drives: 2014 frs
Location: Fresno
Posts: 73
Thanks: 6
Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Oft/header=waste of money. Should just save up for FI.
Rookie_34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2020, 02:47 AM   #16
Sam86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Drives: Toyota 86 GTS
Location: VIC
Posts: 349
Thanks: 103
Thanked 93 Times in 61 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rookie_34 View Post
Oft/header=waste of money. Should just save up for FI.
Can't legally turbo/super charge for another 2 years. Also not sure how I feel about the long term effects doing that will have on my car as I intend to keep it as my daily many years
Sam86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2020, 02:50 AM   #17
Sam86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Drives: Toyota 86 GTS
Location: VIC
Posts: 349
Thanks: 103
Thanked 93 Times in 61 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by sukumizu View Post
Check around here and on reddit, there are ways to lessen the dead pedal feel after flashing. It's too late now so just drive it around for another 50-100 miles and it'll go away.


OFT is not worth it for stage 1 alone IMO. Fixes RPM dips at stops and adds maybe 1-2hp from the dynos I've seen?
Yea I read up after the fact and saw those methods. I think the car has almost adjusted to the tune now.

Not sure about only 1-2hp, I definitely did notice an immediate difference in the cars performance from the stage 1 tune alone, so whilst it might not be major it's at least enough to notice a change. I don't get to enjoy the sound of the car as much as pre-tune because of how quickly it reaches my desired speed now
Sam86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2020, 03:45 AM   #18
86TOYO2k17
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Drives: 2017 toyota 86
Location: PNW
Posts: 2,131
Thanks: 336
Thanked 1,182 Times in 778 Posts
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam86 View Post
Yea I read up after the fact and saw those methods. I think the car has almost adjusted to the tune now.

Not sure about only 1-2hp, I definitely did notice an immediate difference in the cars performance from the stage 1 tune alone, so whilst it might not be major it's at least enough to notice a change. I don't get to enjoy the sound of the car as much as pre-tune because of how quickly it reaches my desired speed now
I think its more like 3whp at peak power and about 4-5whp in the torque dip making the dip smaller.

The difference between stage 1-2 is pretty substantial.
Assuming OFT = 500$ for 3whp 166$ / whp
Catless header varies between free (punch out cat) to 1700$ And range from adding an additional 10-20whp on top of stage 1.
even at the premium 1700$ for 20whp itís still 85$ / whp with many other headers having an even better cost to benefit ratio although lower whp increase.

Ace > jdl 4-2-1 > ptuning 4-1 and jdl EL 4-1 are tied > 2017+ header w/ punched cat > pretty much any other header.
86TOYO2k17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2020, 01:46 PM   #19
Rookie_34
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Drives: 2014 frs
Location: Fresno
Posts: 73
Thanks: 6
Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
My strong suggestion is to buy it second hand. Because the power gains is not worth buying it new unless you just have money laying around. I bought my stuff new and was dissapointed on the money spent.
Rookie_34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2020, 04:55 AM   #20
Sam86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Drives: Toyota 86 GTS
Location: VIC
Posts: 349
Thanks: 103
Thanked 93 Times in 61 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rookie_34 View Post
My strong suggestion is to buy it second hand. Because the power gains is not worth buying it new unless you just have money laying around. I bought my stuff new and was dissapointed on the money spent.
Was that with headers installed of OFT performance alone?
Sam86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2020, 04:58 AM   #21
Sam86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Drives: Toyota 86 GTS
Location: VIC
Posts: 349
Thanks: 103
Thanked 93 Times in 61 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Last bit of reassurance before I go and pick up some Tomei UEL headers, overall if we're talking low-mid range is the stage 2 + headers tune recommended? Or should I just enjoy the OFT and then revert to stock and sell it

Not specifically the HP increase but stuff like, is the sound change worth it (with stock exhaust), is the acceleration/ torque increase significant enough over stage 1? etc.

As I said I can't do any major mods legally for 2 years so the header + tune would pretty much be the extent of my performance modifications to last me that time.


- Also noob question but am I correct in assuming that after a header install I can then just load the stage 2+ tune and overwrite the stage 1? Or do I have to revert to stock tune, install headers, then install stage 2+?
Sam86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2020, 01:02 PM   #22
Rookie_34
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Drives: 2014 frs
Location: Fresno
Posts: 73
Thanks: 6
Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
If you decide to get uel header, you just have to overwrite the exsisting stage 1. No need to revert back to stock first. Yeah i spent $700 on tomei uel and $400 on oft. For $1100 bucks, i honestly dont think its worth it. It did give it a rumble tho. I didnt drive the car too long before i got the oft. So i cant recall how super bad the torque dip was. Just wait around here, trust me. Someone will be eventually selling header for a good price.
Rookie_34 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Rookie_34 For This Useful Post:
Sam86 (05-15-2020)
Old 05-14-2020, 01:11 PM   #23
Rookie_34
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Drives: 2014 frs
Location: Fresno
Posts: 73
Thanks: 6
Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I think everyone is different and something i dislike, you might like. I honestly think you should find someone who has a oft stage 2 plus uel header car and test drive it. If you were anywhere close to me. I would let you test my car out so youll know what youre getting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam86 View Post
Last bit of reassurance before I go and pick up some Tomei UEL headers, overall if we're talking low-mid range is the stage 2 + headers tune recommended? Or should I just enjoy the OFT and then revert to stock and sell it

Not specifically the HP increase but stuff like, is the sound change worth it (with stock exhaust), is the acceleration/ torque increase significant enough over stage 1? etc.

As I said I can't do any major mods legally for 2 years so the header + tune would pretty much be the extent of my performance modifications to last me that time.


- Also noob question but am I correct in assuming that after a header install I can then just load the stage 2+ tune and overwrite the stage 1? Or do I have to revert to stock tune, install headers, then install stage 2+?
Rookie_34 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Rookie_34 For This Useful Post:
Sam86 (05-15-2020)
Old 05-15-2020, 12:08 AM   #24
Sam86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Drives: Toyota 86 GTS
Location: VIC
Posts: 349
Thanks: 103
Thanked 93 Times in 61 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rookie_34 View Post
I think everyone is different and something i dislike, you might like. I honestly think you should find someone who has a oft stage 2 plus uel header car and test drive it. If you were anywhere close to me. I would let you test my car out so youll know what youre getting.
Appreciate the insights. Unfortunately I don't know anyone with an 86.

I've only had my car for 2 months but i've driven it enough to notice the difference stage 1 made.
Just wish it was a little cheaper and i'd do it without second thought. Hesitant to go the 2nd hand route as it's harder to find sellers where I live and I don't like the risk of buying a faulty/ run down header
Sam86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2020, 03:27 AM   #25
Jordanwolf
Rice King
 
Jordanwolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Drives: '19 FWD master race CTR
Location: The land of the North
Posts: 2,868
Thanks: 1,068
Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,192 Posts
Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
People still buying 86s to go fast in a straight line?
__________________
Glorious Honda.
Know my 5x120 GREATNESS PEASANTS.
Jordanwolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2020, 04:49 AM   #26
Sam86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Drives: Toyota 86 GTS
Location: VIC
Posts: 349
Thanks: 103
Thanked 93 Times in 61 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordanwolf View Post
People still buying 86s to go fast in a straight line?
No, I just want the torque dip flattening and subaru rumble. Didn't buy this car wanting to go and race people
Sam86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2020, 12:22 PM   #27
Jordanwolf
Rice King
 
Jordanwolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Drives: '19 FWD master race CTR
Location: The land of the North
Posts: 2,868
Thanks: 1,068
Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,192 Posts
Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam86 View Post
No, I just want the torque dip flattening and subaru rumble. Didn't buy this car wanting to go and race people
Then why would you care at all about a torque dip?
__________________
Glorious Honda.
Know my 5x120 GREATNESS PEASANTS.
Jordanwolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2020, 01:04 PM   #28
Sam86
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Drives: Toyota 86 GTS
Location: VIC
Posts: 349
Thanks: 103
Thanked 93 Times in 61 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordanwolf View Post
Then why would you care at all about a torque dip?
Because I don't like being in situations where I'm on a highway and I need to accelerate either to get into a lane or avoid something and my car takes a few seconds of holding the gas before it begins to accelerate??
Sam86 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Sam86 For This Useful Post:
Tanstin (06-03-2020)
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
First impressions Egus Tracking / Autocross / HPDE / Drifting 1 04-08-2015 05:44 AM
First Impressions Travis Bickle Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum 20 12-31-2014 10:59 PM
RS 1.0 Impressions? Frs x3 Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum 15 11-14-2014 07:57 PM
FRS First Impressions SVThis Member's Car Journals 1 10-28-2012 10:51 PM
First impressions FRSowner Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum 4 06-25-2012 11:35 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2023 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.