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05-26-2022, 01:25 PM | #57 |
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Not all hydrualically assisted steering is good, not all electric is bad...
This is from a while back (2012): https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ower-steering/ After griping about EPS for years, the shocking revelation is that C/D’s editorial staff preferred BMW’s electric system over its hydraulic assistance. Total votes in seven out of ten rating categories favored EPS by two to eight points each. |
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A stock twin doesn’t have a lot of caster, it’s around 5, a stock S13 or S2000 has around 6.5 to 7. This has a large effect too. I think the feel on our EPS is pretty damn good, until it cuts out that is.
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It wasn't a stock BRZ, had an angle kit, hydraulic handbrake, turbo kit, etc, fully setup drift car. No clue what caster was set to. I've also heard similar complaints about the latest gen Mustangs at drift events, they also have eps, having to lead the steering wheel.
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Ahh gotcha. Wonder if you just powered the steering without CAN com if I’d go away.
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You are wrong to assume "hydraulic assist always feels better than electric assist". The first sports cars with electric-assist steering definitely suffered. My AP1's steering was very precise and quick, but no feel. The BRZ is HUGELY improved in that regard. And as I've said, I was surprised to find that I preferred the 981's electric-assisted steering to my 987's hydraulic. And I greatly prefer my BRZ's steering to the 987's. There have been *plenty* of haudraulic steering systems over the years that absolutely sucked, doesn't mean all hydraulic steering is bad. Same for electric. I don't think there's any technical reason a well-developed electric assist should *have* to have less or "worse" feel than hydraulic. |
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I didn't like steering feel on my 2020 86. Nowhere close to the great feeling on the 2015 Evo X GSR I had, or my current 240SX, these two are hydraulic power steering, obviously.
Hydraulic power steering can be awful as well, but I only experienced that on various Subarus, tbh. |
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Interesting that the rx8 got EPS and the NC never did. Didnt know that.
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Nicely done! Your video exemplifies how playful the 86 is and it makes me want to get back to the track asap. I particularly liked your rowing for added horsepower.
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