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When I bought my FRS I was glad it was a Scion because Scion consistently ranked very high for quality, even higher than Toyota.
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Kia and Hyundai have both been releasing vehicles with some of the best initial and long-term quality measures for quite some time now. While everyone's rankings fluctuate a lot thesedays to the tightness of the competition, Kia and Hyundai are consistently in the top third of all automakers. Scion on the other hand, has been steadily moving down the ranks, from the very top just a few years ago, to bottoming out at DEAD LAST in the latest JDP IQS. The same one put Kia and Hyundai near the top, in the company of Porsche, Lexus, Infiniti, Audi, Acura, Mercedes, and Cadillac. But reality is that the difference between "Best" and "Worst" thesedays is so small as to nearly be a statistical non-consideration. For example, the difference between "Best" and "Worst" in the above JDP study, was 0.8 problems per car. So, statistically speaking, a Scion at "Worst" is going to have almost 1 more problem reported in the first 90 days of ownership than a Porsche at "Best". A whole 1 problem more -- and that "problem" can be anything at all, including the most minor of complaint like a squeaking wiper. Everybody makes a good car today. Everybody. Differences between them are all so small that automakers move from nearly the top to nearly the bottom just based on normal variation between years. |
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I've been beating the absolute fuck out of my Tiburon for 7 years now. Intentional 360's on dirt roads, long road trips with it squatting under all the weight, taught 6 people how to drive a manual with it, taught myself how to drive a manual with it, too many standing starts to count, topped out too many times to count, driven from Mississippi to Canada with no break longer than how long it takes me to pee, hauled an 8' trailer slammed full of sod, hauled my R6 to every track day, bogged down in mud, driven into a body of water up to the intake, had the exhaust tips completely submerged in salt water launching/loading my jet ski, and a whole bunch of other crazy shit I'm either not mentioning on purpose or probably forgot.
Here's the list of problems it's had: BCM went bad last year - $100 fix MAF sensor went bad last month - $30 fix I bought an FR-S so I could gut it and keep the good ol' Hyundai as my daily for many more years to come.
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Sir don't argue, as you can see with the scion frs it makes a huge difference. We get a watered down version of the 86 with no other trims to choose from but the BRZ. What do you think would happen to the Supra and MR2?????? Plus they will change the name of the Supra and MR2 to a couple letters like all the other scions.......AND your forgetting one thing, in the rest of the world there is no Lexus or Scion so there all "Toyotas"....Ill keep my Toyota all day Sir..that is all
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We have no way of knowing that everyone makes good cars today. Toyota's and Honda's aren't over-engineered the way they were in the 90's. Subaru's of the 2000's are proving to be very problematic in the used car market. As far as Hyundai's, have you ever worked on one? Do 200k mile Genesis's exist ? How are DI Accents holding up over 100k miles ? The number of 90's Toyotas still on the road is mind-blowing to a typical new car buyer. There are a lot of unknowns buying new cars today with DI and all the tuning for emissions/café mpg.
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Can't tell if Troll or serious
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JD Powers is joke. I never factor them in when buying a car. I find Consumer Reports more useful and they ranked the twins as a top pick for 2013. |
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Serious the brand had a stellar rep, they only sold cars with proven reliable Toyota drivetrains that generally had a great history. The Tc is one of the most reliable cars on the road.
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Hopefully the same thing, or better yet, even more watered down. I like my sports cars with extra sport, hold the entertainment system. Quote:
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This explains pretty clearly why you really should not put much stock in JD Powers IQS:
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For example: treating brake dust colour as a defect is truly ridiculous. However, many, if not most, drivers have no idea how to perform an emergency stop let alone recognize and avoid brake fade. Such drivers get no benefit from high performance brakes and literally don't know what's wrong as they stuff their Impala up the backside of a Navigator. Our Subaru/Toyotas neatly sidestep this problem by making brake dust coloured wheels fashionable! |
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http://www.truedelta.com/Scion-FR-S/problems-1096/2013 About the worst engine in the industry according to this places rankings, and its not all crickets if you join you can see all the complete engine failure reports. With over a year of history Consumer Reports won't be ranking the twins as high this year I'm pretty sure of that.
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It has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with the fact that a single car, in its first model-year, makes up an extremely large percentage of their sales. When your volumes are so low that a single model makes up such a huge part of your sales, your overall ranking is going to tank in its first model-year. Any first-year car is going to have quality issues, particularly in regards to JDP IQS. Scion will climb the ranks again. The point was that everyone's so close to each other that it doesn't really matter anymore. Just releasing a new model, and not one that's known for being particularly bad, is enough to make Scion slip to dead last. Sure, no one can see the future. No one can know if the car they're buying today will last 1 year, 5 years, or be one of the rare Lemons. All we can use, if we want to use "data" at all, is averages compiled by third parties. Quote:
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