Questions and Discussion on Vortech Supercharging Systems

[Brian@Vortech]

Originally Posted by Unleashed

$248 that is very steep. All other ones are priced around $115, why so high?

I don't know, actually. That is the price that came up in our system. I'm sure if the less expensive unit is from a reputable manufacturer it will be fine though.

[Unleashed]

Originally Posted by Brian@Vortech

I don't know, actually. That is the price that came up in our system. I'm sure if the less expensive unit is from a reputable manufacturer it will be fine though.

By no mean's did I mean to offend either by asking, was just wondering if it came with the specific harness or something extra. Thanks for all the info.

[Brian@Vortech]

Originally Posted by Unleashed

By no mean's did I mean to offend either by asking, was just wondering if it came with the specific harness or something extra. Thanks for all the info.

No problem! To my knowledge, there is not anything particularly special about it that would separate it from another, similar sensor.

[Dimman]

@Brian@Vortech
Thanks for the gold star.

The Mustang thing is funny, because I just picked the stereotypical Vortech car, didn't even look. Came within one generation.

If you stop and take a look at my responses, in relation to yours you might see a pattern. When you respond to technical criticism with a d!ck attitude throwing your company's weight around without solid facts or even correct answers, you invite this on yourself.

All the technical data is essential for guys that have better experience with centris, or have tuners that are. So that performance can be optimized beyond the generic, cost conscious, kits. The compressor map is a part of that data.

A lot of people don't care what Perrin or Visconti say. Those guys are making money off their kits. We care what our tuners have to say about how to optimize what is out there for our particular cars.

Another thought for you, Brian is that the people posting are far from the only ones reading the threads. There are many, many people passively participating. How you handle criticism goes further than those posting.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by Brian@Vortech

There are many different ways to display the chart within each dyno software program. I believe you can adjust the choppyness of a run inside the program with a tab called "smoothing". It just looks like the guys didn't do that prior to providing it to me to edit into the teaser video.

The chart shows smoothing of 5 which is pretty much the industry standard.

I would wonder also why it is so jerky for the power up top, its a little concerning considering how smooth the bottom end is.

[Unleashed]

@Brian@Vortech

Does this kit leave enough room for a larger radiator like the one featured here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...light=radiator
or any other larger radiator.

I have heard there are some minor heating issues associated not only with this kit but all the FI guys since the intercoolers block a lot of air flow to the radiator.

Thanks

[Brian@Vortech]

Originally Posted by Unleashed

@Brian@Vortech

Does this kit leave enough room for a larger radiator like the one featured here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...light=radiator
or any other larger radiator.

I have heard there are some minor heating issues associated not only with this kit but all the FI guys since the intercoolers block a lot of air flow to the radiator.

Thanks

I went out to Engineering and snapped a picture or two for you of a car we already had up in the air. I couldn't get a good enough picture underhood to show how close it is, but I was able to snap this pic from underneath.



There is lots of room down towards the bottom, but not a tremendous amount of room up top because of the Vortech airbox and a little bit of the volute. You could fit a larger radiator, but it would be difficult for me to say exactly how much bigger without actually doing it.

[Coheed]

The larger radiators are usually designed to set farther into the engine bay. I have zero doubt a larger unit will fit. The bigger question is whether or not the factory fans can be utilized. I think a 2" core is plenty big enough for most track guys unless pushing over 350whp. After that, a 3" unit would be beneficial. I doubt a 3" core would fit with stock fans. But a quality slim fan setup should work.

Although, in my previous experiences, the factory fans with shroud typically cool better than the larger radiator with less efficient fans. You could get better fans with a slim shroud for better efficiency, as long as you can deal with the added noise those fans tend to produce.

[Brian@Vortech]

We are FR-S & BRZ central right now in Engineering BTW...

[staycrushing]

What I see here is a lot of posting in what people the body building world call "bro science"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=broscience

Broscience is the predominant brand of reasoning in bodybuilding circles where the anecdotal reports of jacked dudes are considered more credible than scientific research.
Broscience in action:

"Bro, you gotta slam 40-60 grams of waxy maize plus 20 grams of BCAA within 7 seconds of finishing your last set of squat rack curls. Otherwise, you'll go straight catabolic."

With that being said as off topic as this sounds let me make some reason out of this... most people commenting on this thread DO NOT HAVE THE KIT... I DO!

That being said at first when I got the car I averaged around 32mpg on the freeway with stock tires and all of that. After I put on the rocket bunny kit with wing and all of that... 19s with 245s blah blah blah my MPG dropped significantly... down to around 23mpg, at first I was pissed but I don't commute too far at the moment so its fine.

After putting on the vortech kit I DID see an increase in mpg... average fill up for me is like 10-10.5 gallons and i would get around 230 miles to a tank or well fill up... Now i am seeing around 260-270 miles per fill up. Regardless of what fuel atomization theories or whatever crap you wanna bro out with there is an increase in MPG.

Now this is with the vortech base tune, not the perrin tune (which i will be switching to in a month or so) and here are some reasons why I may THINK there is an increase in MPG.

1. the car has torque... you know that dead spot when you are cruising in traffic and you have to down shift to pass cars and all of that? I don't have to do that anymore, it drives like a v6.

2. im not on the gas as much anymore to get off the line or get up to speed onto the freeway, it takes way less effort for the car to get up to cruising speed.

3. i push down on the throttle less to maintain speed on the freeway, less throttle = less gas being used? who knows... im not some rocket scientist but this is real world tested.

here is another thing, same day i dynoed the car i drove it to vegas... its actually been driven there twice. oh and im driving to arizona today. and gonna dyno again in the next couple weeks.

thats real world testing for you.

i dont care about "math" and "theory" and all that other crap to be honest. i saw an increase in mpg.

btw best way how to describe the supercharger... imagine ripping out the boxer and throwing in a vq motor, thats how the car feels now.

[evo4g63]

Originally Posted by staycrushing

What I see here is a lot of posting in what people the body building world call "bro science"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=broscience

Broscience is the predominant brand of reasoning in bodybuilding circles where the anecdotal reports of jacked dudes are considered more credible than scientific research.
Broscience in action:

"Bro, you gotta slam 40-60 grams of waxy maize plus 20 grams of BCAA within 7 seconds of finishing your last set of squat rack curls. Otherwise, you'll go straight catabolic."

With that being said as off topic as this sounds let me make some reason out of this... most people commenting on this thread DO NOT HAVE THE KIT... I DO!

That being said at first when I got the car I averaged around 32mpg on the freeway with stock tires and all of that. After I put on the rocket bunny kit with wing and all of that... 19s with 245s blah blah blah my MPG dropped significantly... down to around 23mpg, at first I was pissed but I don't commute too far at the moment so its fine.

After putting on the vortech kit I DID see an increase in mpg... average fill up for me is like 10-10.5 gallons and i would get around 230 miles to a tank or well fill up... Now i am seeing around 260-270 miles per fill up. Regardless of what fuel atomization theories or whatever crap you wanna bro out with there is an increase in MPG.

Now this is with the vortech base tune, not the perrin tune (which i will be switching to in a month or so) and here are some reasons why I may THINK there is an increase in MPG.

1. the car has torque... you know that dead spot when you are cruising in traffic and you have to down shift to pass cars and all of that? I don't have to do that anymore, it drives like a v6.

2. im not on the gas as much anymore to get off the line or get up to speed onto the freeway, it takes way less effort for the car to get up to cruising speed.

3. i push down on the throttle less to maintain speed on the freeway, less throttle = less gas being used? who knows... im not some rocket scientist but this is real world tested.

here is another thing, same day i dynoed the car i drove it to vegas... its actually been driven there twice. oh and im driving to arizona today. and gonna dyno again in the next couple weeks.

thats real world testing for you.

i dont care about "math" and "theory" and all that other crap to be honest. i saw an increase in mpg.

btw best way how to describe the supercharger... imagine ripping out the boxer and throwing in a vq motor, thats how the car feels now.

You coming down the Phoenix?

[Sonolin]

Originally Posted by Brian@Vortech

Thank you for saying so, and you are most welcome!

The dyno charts and the cars in our video that we posted on Monday of this week are stock cars with the exception of the V-3 Vortech System and a set of mufflers. The blue FR-S has a Borla axle-back, and the White BRZ (I believe) has a Perrin cat-back.

I'm sure there will be some playing around on the street videos soon enough...but I don't believe they will be made by us. We'll leave that to our customers.

So

vid, dyno charts are ALL stock? If so, that's very nice!


...And, I might get my hopes crushed with this one, but.. is this SC kit going to be CARB legal? I'm in the wonderful state of California, and am really hoping for some kits that are legal here... thought it was mentioned elsewhere that this was.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Sonolin

So

is this SC kit going to be CARB legal?

Yes. In the works.

[Brian@Vortech]

Originally Posted by Sonolin

So

vid, dyno charts are ALL stock? If so, that's very nice!


...And, I might get my hopes crushed with this one, but.. is this SC kit going to be CARB legal? I'm in the wonderful state of California, and am really hoping for some kits that are legal here... thought it was mentioned elsewhere that this was.

Yes indeed, the intended plan is to submit the complete system for CARB approval soon after we release it next month. The approval process takes an excessive amount of time though. Expect to have an E.O. by the end of the year or early next year. Don't worry though, the E.O. is retroactive...so anyone that buys before the approval still is covered...as long as the system they purchase is a complete system (4TF218-014L) and not a Tuner Kit (4TF218-114L).