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Old 10-23-2017, 10:08 AM   #29
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i felt no big difference between manual and auto of these car till start of 4th gear really... we all drive minivan speed cars?
um wat, are you sure you drove a manual?
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I can see how some people go for autos because that is all they have ever experienced. Or maybe they have driven a friend's manual but never owned their own. But what I don't get is how someone can drive a manual on a daily and then scrap it for an auto. Perfectly matched double clutches while heal toeing is so rewarding. I guess if you're like my wife where you simply drive from point a to point b and never learn any of the other driving techniques related to a manual then you would be more willing to give it up. I hear people complain about traffic a lot. I've been driving a manual in stop and go for 20 years. It was a 30 minute stop and go commute (one way) for the first 19 and now my office has moved so it's about 1 hour each direction now. When I say stop and go I mean, stop for 30sec.... roll 5 feet... stop for 30secs... for a freaking hour... every day. Never does it cross my mind to give up the manual. I also see people that are only concerned about specs on paper that go for the newer double cluch tranies. Even then I don't get it. It isn't worth a fraction of a second 0-60 to give up all the fun you get from a manual. Then I hear about people wanting to free up their hands in the turns.. we aren't driving F1 cars.. who cares. I suspect a lot of the people with that argument have never even lapped a racetrack.

Anyways, sorry to rant. I just hate seeing the death of manuals because of arguments like this. Not wanting to look around for a few weeks to find a manual is a pore excuse IMO. I remember my brother in law buying the Acura TL when it first came out. I told him to go for the manual because it not only did it come with a manual but it also came with Brembos unlike the auto. So he went to all the dealers in town and none of them had one on their lots.. so rather than telling them to locate/order one.. he gave in and got an auto. So now he just added to the statistics that makes the auto industry think no one wants a manual. I was talking to a salesman one day and asked why they never have manuals on hand. He said because they sell right away. Duh... so order more.

Anyways.. I really am done ranting. So, how is the auto FRS? Does it hold gears well, for example,. does it recognize when your in corners and hold a lower gear so you can have more engine braking ability to balance the car in the turn or anything like that? The computer has all the data needed to do something like this. Does it shift the instant you tell it to or does it just put it in the queue and shift when it gets a chance? Does it match revs when downshifting?
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I can see how some people go for autos because that is all they have ever experienced. Or maybe they have driven a friend's manual but never owned their own. But what I don't get is how someone can drive a manual on a daily and then scrap it for an auto. Perfectly matched double clutches while heal toeing is so rewarding. I guess if you're like my wife where you simply drive from point a to point b and never learn any of the other driving techniques related to a manual then you would be more willing to give it up. I hear people complain about traffic a lot. I've been driving a manual in stop and go for 20 years. It was a 30 minute stop and go commute (one way) for the first 19 and now my office has moved so it's about 1 hour each direction now. When I say stop and go I mean, stop for 30sec.... roll 5 feet... stop for 30secs... for a freaking hour... every day. Never does it cross my mind to give up the manual. I also see people that are only concerned about specs on paper that go for the newer double cluch tranies. Even then I don't get it. It isn't worth a fraction of a second 0-60 to give up all the fun you get from a manual. Then I hear about people wanting to free up their hands in the turns.. we aren't driving F1 cars.. who cares. I suspect a lot of the people with that argument have never even lapped a racetrack.

Anyways, sorry to rant. I just hate seeing the death of manuals because of arguments like this. Not wanting to look around for a few weeks to find a manual is a pore excuse IMO. I remember my brother in law buying the Acura TL when it first came out. I told him to go for the manual because it not only did it come with a manual but it also came with Brembos unlike the auto. So he went to all the dealers in town and none of them had one on their lots.. so rather than telling them to locate/order one.. he gave in and got an auto. So now he just added to the statistics that makes the auto industry think no one wants a manual. I was talking to a salesman one day and asked why they never have manuals on hand. He said because they sell right away. Duh... so order more.

Anyways.. I really am done ranting. So, how is the auto FRS? Does it hold gears well, for example,. does it recognize when your in corners and hold a lower gear so you can have more engine braking ability to balance the car in the turn or anything like that? The computer has all the data needed to do something like this. Does it shift the instant you tell it to or does it just put it in the queue and shift when it gets a chance? Does it match revs when downshifting?
It holds the gears pretty well. I've honestly only driven mine with it in D like 4 times. Most of the time I'm in manual mode and it won't upshift you but it will downshift you to keep the engine safe.

Shifts are pretty instant if you put it in sport mode. I does rev match when downshifting too!
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I can see how some people go for autos because that is all they have ever experienced. Or maybe they have driven a friend's manual but never owned their own. But what I don't get is how someone can drive a manual on a daily and then scrap it for an auto. Perfectly matched double clutches while heal toeing is so rewarding. I guess if you're like my wife where you simply drive from point a to point b and never learn any of the other driving techniques related to a manual then you would be more willing to give it up. I hear people complain about traffic a lot. I've been driving a manual in stop and go for 20 years. It was a 30 minute stop and go commute (one way) for the first 19 and now my office has moved so it's about 1 hour each direction now. When I say stop and go I mean, stop for 30sec.... roll 5 feet... stop for 30secs... for a freaking hour... every day. Never does it cross my mind to give up the manual. I also see people that are only concerned about specs on paper that go for the newer double cluch tranies. Even then I don't get it. It isn't worth a fraction of a second 0-60 to give up all the fun you get from a manual. Then I hear about people wanting to free up their hands in the turns.. we aren't driving F1 cars.. who cares. I suspect a lot of the people with that argument have never even lapped a racetrack.

Anyways, sorry to rant. I just hate seeing the death of manuals because of arguments like this. Not wanting to look around for a few weeks to find a manual is a pore excuse IMO. I remember my brother in law buying the Acura TL when it first came out. I told him to go for the manual because it not only did it come with a manual but it also came with Brembos unlike the auto. So he went to all the dealers in town and none of them had one on their lots.. so rather than telling them to locate/order one.. he gave in and got an auto. So now he just added to the statistics that makes the auto industry think no one wants a manual. I was talking to a salesman one day and asked why they never have manuals on hand. He said because they sell right away. Duh... so order more.

Anyways.. I really am done ranting. So, how is the auto FRS? Does it hold gears well, for example,. does it recognize when your in corners and hold a lower gear so you can have more engine braking ability to balance the car in the turn or anything like that? The computer has all the data needed to do something like this. Does it shift the instant you tell it to or does it just put it in the queue and shift when it gets a chance? Does it match revs when downshifting?
I also can't understand the traffic argument everyone likes to put out. It really sounds like people are talking about different cars when they make the complaint that manual is too hard or dreadful for them in traffic. I also daily mine in hour long traffic with no issues
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I also can't understand the traffic argument everyone likes to put out. It really sounds like people are talking about different cars when they make the complaint that manual is too hard or dreadful for them in traffic. I also daily mine in hour long traffic with no issues
I honestly think it comes down to how important owning a manual is to you. If you're not overly committed or confident, traffic is a good way to rationalize why you didn't chose manual. For people who truly enjoy driving a car with a stick-shift, traffic is usually a non-issue/minor inconvenience.
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the best thing about the 86's auto is that it will never auto upshift in manual mode..
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I honestly think it comes down to how important owning a manual is to you. If you're not overly committed or confident, traffic is a good way to rationalize why you didn't chose manual. For people who truly enjoy driving a car with a stick-shift, traffic is usually a non-issue/minor inconvenience.
I fall asleep now driving AT in traffic lol, that may be more of a personal problem though hah
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I just bought a new 2016 automatic FR-S that was on the dealership lot for a year because no one knew the dealer even had it anymore (It got stored in the dealership basement and it was kinda forgotten). I noticed it when they put it in the showroom.

I learnt to drive on a manual car and used to hate automatic cars (I owned a piece of junk automatic car a few years ago) got a Yaris RS and then decided to trade it in for the FR-S. I still have no regrets getting an automatic FR-S instead of a manual one. This automatic transmission is actually pretty darn good. In total I've owned two different manual cars, drove multiple manual pickups growing up and now this is the 2nd automatic car I've owned and this is by far the best transmission I've played around with.

I think of myself as a person who loves manual cars but with this transmission I just couldn't say no to it. It's pretty good and still fun! It'll let you bounce off the rev limiter if you want without it intruding and up shifting for you. As others have said, it'll only downshift for you in manual mode if you're about to lug the engine. Haven't had much of a chance to try sport mode in automatic mode but from the little bit I tried it, it's pretty cool. Holds lower gears and will downshift if you apply the brakes hard to prepare for accelerating out of a corner.
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