Why was the SBD thread deleted?

[maxjedi]

Originally Posted by protpibe

wtf they seriously come like that? You can see it still says GReddy lol

How do you like this one ? Also from SBD box:

[Ryuu0u]

Hey, at least you know now that you're getting a top notch knock off. Or are you getting the real thing? It's so confusing
It honestly wouldn't bother me too much since it looks cosmetic.

[gramicci101]

The interesting thing was that when Greddy bitched about it on the forum, they got banned.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

The interesting thing was that when Greddy bitched about it on the forum, they got banned.

They gotta pay to play.

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[woode]

Those who do the research and development get ripped off by companies who can sell the product at a lower price since they don't have R&D costs. A lot of vendors don't care because the customers don't care, they just want whatever is cheapest and they will try to justify how its morally okay to themselves.

As an aside, I don't really see the appeal of the Greddy kit. (or the knock offs)

[Jesse@JDLAutodesign]

Originally Posted by woode

Those who do the research and development get ripped off by companies who can sell the product at a lower price since they don't have R&D costs. A lot of vendors don't care because the customers don't care, they just want whatever is cheapest and they will try to justify how its morally okay to themselves.

As an aside, I don't really see the appeal of the Greddy kit. (or the knock offs)

I don't know the origins of these kits but i do know these Taiwanese factories aren't exactly known for loyalty and honoring private label agreements. I've been shocked with some of the products we've been offered to say the least.

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by Jesse@JDLAutodesign

I don't know the origins of these kits but i do know these Taiwanese factories aren't exactly known for loyalty and honoring private label agreements. I've been shocked with some of the products we've been offered to say the least.

That seems like a great reason not to use them for manufacturing. Cheaper costs only works as long as you're the only one selling your product.

[mwjcyber]

Word is Greddy was using Zage for production of their kits, but then backed out. So Zage needed a distributor to buy the kits Greddy didn't pay for, and as a result started making new ones for SBD.

[Khorne]

Originally Posted by mwjcyber

Word is Greddy was using Zage for production of their kits, but then backed out. So Zage needed a distributor to buy the kits Greddy didn't pay for, and as a result started making new ones for SBD.

If the contract was broken on Greddys side why doesn't Zage just be upfront about that and say hey the reason the kit looks like this is because that happened.
They claimed to be supplying SBD and Greddy at the same time, Greddy came and dispelled that saying Zage was never contracted to supply them.
SBD kits now rocking up with Greddy ground off the pipes etc.

Either way something is dodgy and at the very least the quality of the SBD turbo should be called into question.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by woode

Those who do the research and development get ripped off by companies who can sell the product at a lower price since they don't have R&D costs. A lot of vendors don't care because the customers don't care, they just want whatever is cheapest and they will try to justify how its morally okay to themselves.

As an aside, I don't really see the appeal of the Greddy kit. (or the knock offs)

lol morally okay? It's not like we're talking about child labor here (at least as far as I know)

I get the whole 'anti-rip-off' crusade, I really do - but it's the way of the world today, there's no fighting it. If you come up with a new product, you need to manage your business expecting someone to rip it off, especially if it's a really good product. Greddy is making plenty of money, and I'm sure this isn't the first time they've seen something like this happen. Not justifying it, just the way it is....

Me, as a consumer, yeah I'm not going to pay $1000 more for the same kit and I sleep fine knowing that $1000 can go to my kid's college fund. Sorry Greddy.

[woode]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

lol morally okay? It's not like we're talking about child labor here (at least as far as I know)

I get the whole 'anti-rip-off' crusade, I really do - but it's the way of the world today, there's no fighting it. If you come up with a new product, you need to manage your business expecting someone to rip it off, especially if it's a really good product. Greddy is making plenty of money, and I'm sure this isn't the first time they've seen something like this happen. Not justifying it, just the way it is....

Me, as a consumer, yeah I'm not going to pay $1000 more for the same kit and I sleep fine knowing that $1000 can go to my kid's college fund. Sorry Greddy.

Getting off topic, but you are the problem with the world today. Blame the victim. Reward those who steal and make inferior products. That is precisely what discourages innovation ultimately..

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by woode

Getting off topic, but you are the problem with the world today. Blame the victim. Reward those who steal and make inferior products. That is precisely what discourages innovation ultimately..

Seriously, that's the problem with the world today? Free market capitalism? I think the world has bigger problems than that.

Anyway, I hear what you're saying, but the market self corrects. People will start paying for more quality if the cheap stuff is truly crap, but when the quality is equal, people will pay for what is financially feasible to them.

Also, companies get to write off R&D expenditures, so the companies that innovate have financial incentives to do so beyond charging more to the customer.

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[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by woode

Getting off topic, but you are the problem with the world today. Blame the victim. Reward those who steal and make inferior products. That is precisely what discourages innovation ultimately..

My last words in this thread - I'm one of those innovators you refer to actually - does it bother me that others inevitably copy my work? Used to when I was younger, I complained a lot and played the role of 'victim' which you may be familiar with. Now I just anticipate and adjust my expectations accordingly. Much happier in life that way, but ymmv. Btw I consider this on topic for this thread - this type of crappy endless opinion thread is exactly what should have happened OUTSIDE of the other SBD thread with some actual productive discussion (regardless of where the kit came from or how soapbox jockeys personally feel about my 'morals'). Cheers


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[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by woode

Getting off topic, but you are the problem with the world today. Blame the victim. Reward those who steal and make inferior products. That is precisely what discourages innovation ultimately..

How exactly is it an inferior product if it had greddy stamped on the parts?
It's not even a knock off at that point... it's a "legit" part.

Fact is... none of us have the facts except greddy and zage. So everything is speculation at this point.