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Old 11-19-2020, 01:40 PM   #421
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People actually use that thing? I guess if it doesn't have the push-to-start button. But with that button occupying half the compartment there's barely enough space for some random coins.
Mine holds one chapstick.
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Old 11-19-2020, 01:43 PM   #422
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People actually use that thing? I guess if it doesn't have the push-to-start button. But with that button occupying half the compartment there's barely enough space for some random coins.
It is actually quite important a space for me. It is where I put my two gate and 3 building swipe cards I use all the time. They never stayed in the FRS cubby but fit nice and snug in the 86 one.
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Something still looks off to me but I can't put my finger on it. If I wake up at 2 tomorrow morning and go "AH HA" I will hold you personally responsable for my interrupted sleep!
It's not perfect, I definitely had to do a little tweaking, more so with the 2022 graph. But it looks to line up close enough to what we see, so I'm happy with it. I'll be sure to set my alarm for 2:15AM and check the forum haha.
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It's not perfect, I definitely had to do a little tweaking, more so with the 2022 graph. But it looks to line up close enough to what we see, so I'm happy with it. I'll be sure to set my alarm for 2:15AM and check the forum haha.
Forum? You wake me up at 2 and COVID be damned I am driving over there!
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Reduced redline to 7000 rpm
why are people still saying this? are we all looking at the same tach and spec sheet? 7000 is peak power, redline is clearly still beyond that..
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OK, my thoughts on the new model:

First of all, a 2.4L NA was what I was calling for from the very start! It's the engine that I thought the car should have had, and the engine I expected them to use for the next gen (and was hoping for the refresh I bought). As I said long ago, it would bring just enough power to feel fast/torquey throughout the revs while still maintaining good revs and low weight. Also good to see they're still using Toyota's D-4S and not their own direct injection which is more prone to long term issues. Plus it seems to sound a little better.

As far as the styling goes, I'm a bit mixed. It looks a lot like the old one but it seems like the top portion is more round and smooth while the bottom portion is sharp and aggressive. I HATE the front plate mount. Hopefully they won't have that for states that don't require front plates but I'm pretty sure it'll just be like that for all units. Of course, if your state requires a front plate, it won't matter, but if it doesn't, it looks weird/broken. I also noticed there's no fog lights! I always like fog lights on my cars so hopefully they'll add them later? But yeah, I'm getting Ferrari FF hatchback vibes from the design.

The interior also looks similar but also not quite as flush as the old one. It has some weird shapes going on. Not horrible but just seems a bit off. The seats look more like standard seats than the outgoing seats which looked almost like racing buckets. They finally added an arm rest sort of thing at least... so there's that.

The Michelin Pilot Sport 4's are also what I said the car should have had to start with, so that's good they're standard now (you can still slide with them but they just have more grip when you want it in the rain). However, it still has that odd 215/40/18 size. I would have liked to have seen a tad more sidewall/width with 225/40/18 for the new engine but oh well. I know the less grip, the easier it is to slide.

Anyway, there's not really any surprises here. It's a little bit better in ways and a bit meh with the styling. The big hope/takeaway for me here is that it seems like this time around, they've prepped it for a performance/turbo model. The engine now has an oil cooler, there's a wider rear track for wider tires, and everything's been beefed up to suggest it. I guess time will tell. Regardless, I'm happy to see that they haven't just given up on this model and that we'll get another round of this unique platform!
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Getting ride of that hideous 3rd brake light, or at least moving it onto the trunk lid, is a great step forward.

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I'm really curious if it's the exact same transmission, or if there were internal changes if it's not a new unit.
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I'm really curious if it's the exact same transmission, or if there were internal changes if it's not a new unit.
Somewhere I recall them mentioning it was totally revised. But I don't know exactly what that means. I highly doubt it will be much different from the outgoing model - just tweaked to better suit the new engine.
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Somewhere I recall them mentioning it was totally revised. But I don't know exactly what that means. I highly doubt it will be much different from the outgoing model - just tweaked to better suit the new engine.
Interesting! I noticed the final drive changed but the gearing looked the same so I fear the same gearset is used. I'll be keeping an eye out on part numbers, and hopefully a transmission shop will get to break one open in time.
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OK, my thoughts on the new model:

First of all, a 2.4L NA was what I was calling for from the very start! It's the engine that I thought the car should have had, and the engine I expected them to use for the next gen (and was hoping for the refresh I bought). As I said long ago, it would bring just enough power to feel fast/torquey throughout the revs while still maintaining good revs and low weight. Also good to see they're still using Toyota's D-4S and not their own direct injection which is more prone to long term issues. Plus it seems to sound a little better.

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The interior also looks similar but also not quite as flush as the old one. It has some weird shapes going on. Not horrible but just seems a bit off. The seats look more like standard seats than the outgoing seats which looked almost like racing buckets. They finally added an arm rest sort of thing at least... so there's that.

The Michelin Pilot Sport 4's are also what I said the car should have had to start with, so that's good they're standard now (you can still slide with them but they just have more grip when you want it in the rain). However, it still has that odd 215/40/18 size. I would have liked to have seen a tad more sidewall/width with 225/40/18 for the new engine but oh well. I know the less grip, the easier it is to slide.

Anyway, there's not really any surprises here. It's a little bit better in ways and a bit meh with the styling. The big hope/takeaway for me here is that it seems like this time around, they've prepped it for a performance/turbo model. The engine now has an oil cooler, there's a wider rear track for wider tires, and everything's been beefed up to suggest it. I guess time will tell. Regardless, I'm happy to see that they haven't just given up on this model and that we'll get another round of this unique platform!
If a turbo tS happens, idunno. I actually think the internet would fall apart, there would be fires in cities, riots, stock market crash, midget porn would be mainstream.. idunno I just doubt it.

The internet would probably still complain though, along the tune of "should've had this 10 years ago, I already bought a based Elantra and now I can't afford the 40k(cad) BRZ".

It's nice to dream though.
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Somewhere I recall them mentioning it was totally revised. But I don't know exactly what that means. I highly doubt it will be much different from the outgoing model - just tweaked to better suit the new engine.
They say that the AT has bee "improved" but make no mention of the MT.
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Interesting! I noticed the final drive changed but the gearing looked the same so I fear the same gearset is used. I'll be keeping an eye out on part numbers, and hopefully a transmission shop will get to break one open in time.
Where did you find the final gear numbers? I must be blind since I have looked for that.
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I know this was never going to happen, but for me the perfect second-generation car would have been just to take the first-gen car and drop in the new 2.4 engine.

(While I'm at it wishing for impossible things, a tiny detail, I would also have preferred a more cohesive instrument panel, with (big surprise) all analog gauges. I appreciate the current analog instruments, but that hybrid layout with the small digital screen kind of stuck in there on the right side of the display clashes and is incoherent).

Yes, I know. I'm the only one here who feels this way.
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