Just another 450whp Turbo FT86 -- and NOW 530hp

[GsxrMe]

Um, boost by gear would be an EVAP delete and a EBC with a custom map from a pro I'm assuming? ECUTEK of course.

I really wish tuners would talk about this more. This could save so many transmissions lower gears. I don't need 20 psi in my first three gears FFS.

Let's keep this going, I really like.

[VitViper]

Originally Posted by GsxrMe

Um, boost by gear would be an EVAP delete and a EBC with a custom map from a pro I'm assuming? ECUTEK of course.

I really wish tuners would talk about this more. This could save so many transmissions lower gears. I don't need 20 psi in my first three gears FFS.

Let's keep this going, I really like.

You can do boost by gear with just a single custom map on ECUTek for your turbo setup... it's easy, especially if you're not worried about closed looping it (which really open loop is sufficient for most people, especially if you want a LOT of features which will run you out of custom maps really fast).

3rd gear WOT at 17psi on E60 fuel. Needs more power IMO, lol.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjJTNwoe9_o"]FT86 FRS 3rd Gear Pull - YouTube[/ame]

[FRS Justin]

Originally Posted by VitViper

You can do boost by gear with just a single custom map on ECUTek for your turbo setup... it's easy, especially if you're not worried about closed looping it (which really open loop is sufficient for most people, especially if you want a LOT of features which will run you out of custom maps really fast).

3rd gear WOT at 17psi on E60 fuel. Needs more power IMO, lol.

TURN IT UP!!!!!

[VitViper]

Originally Posted by FRS Justin

TURN IT UP!!!!!

We'll see how this summer goes. Looking at doing a motor for 700-800whp and maybe a 6262 or 6270 turbo.

[#maverick#]

Originally Posted by VitViper

We'll see how this summer goes. Looking at doing a motor for 700-800whp and maybe a 6262 or 6270 turbo.

I just picked up a gen 2 64/66, I know Justin has a gen 2 6266 that he absolutely loves and makes great power with

[VitViper]

Originally Posted by #maverick#

I just picked up a gen 2 64/66, I know Justin has a gen 2 6266 that he absolutely loves and makes great power with

I use primarily Comp. Although I have had good luck as far as making power with the Gen2's -- customer's S2000 made 700 wheel on the Gen2 6262 at 21psi lol.

[#maverick#]

Originally Posted by VitViper

I use primarily Comp. Although I have had good luck as far as making power with the Gen2's -- customer's S2000 made 700 wheel on the Gen2 6262 at 21psi lol.

Yea the new Gen2s are outstanding I just found I have to use a .030 restrictor with my -4AN line in addition to the internal restrictor so I dont blow out the seals. These BB dont need that much oil. My 5858 is on its second rebuild lol. Thinking back I shouldve just used a -3AN line lmao

[nickw14]

Originally Posted by pgranberg11

this is awesome. for those who think engine is going to crap, you really need to understand it's all in the tune. yea it may be pushing it's limites, but VitViper has a large background in tuning 8th gen civics, probably one of the best tuners around period.

No. There have been FA20's bending rods on stock power, stock tunes, etc. Even more so when e85 and NO boost is thrown at them. And yes, even more so than that when boost is thrown at them.

It has nothing to do with the tune when your mechanical parts simply fail.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by nickw14

No. There have been FA20's bending rods on stock power, stock tunes, etc. Even more so when e85 and NO boost is thrown at them. And yes, even more so than that when boost is thrown at them.

It has nothing to do with the tune when your mechanical parts simply fail.

When stock cars are bending rods, yet people are getting tens of thousands of miles on boosted fa20s, those few failures are just quality control. Tune is still the most likely cause for modded fa20s to fail...not an inherent weakness in construction.

Jaden

[EAGLE5]

How you drive also matters. Flooring it above 3500rpm probably makes a huge difference. At lower RPM, the stresses hit each part for a longer period of time. At 3500rpm, the time spent under pressure is probably half that of 1750rpm. Peak cylinder pressure doesn't last as long. Of course, at 7500rpm, you've got a lot more heat building up. That again is also a matter of how the car is driven. If you're going up to 8000rpm once, it's not a problem. If you're on the track and slamming the car to redline, heat builds up.

And then there's the tune.

And then there's maintenance.

And then there's luck.

[nickw14]

Originally Posted by Jaden

When stock cars are bending rods, yet people are getting tens of thousands of miles on boosted fa20s, those few failures are just quality control. Tune is still the most likely cause for modded fa20s to fail...not an inherent weakness in construction.

Jaden

But there IS an inherent weakness in construction. Most people blame the tuner because it is the most logical thing to do initially. But when you tear your engine down and you see a rod snapped in half, yet your car was running fine just a few days ago, how can you still say you had a bad tune? I understand very well how tuning works, and I understand that small imperfections can wreak havoc on engines after periods of time whether short or long. However, the FA20 is known for having weak rods. Ask any shop that has tested the limits of the engine, or who has build these engines. They will tell you the same thing.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by nickw14

But there IS an inherent weakness in construction. Most people blame the tuner because it is the most logical thing to do initially. But when you tear your engine down and you see a rod snapped in half, yet your car was running fine just a few days ago, how can you still say you had a bad tune? I understand very well how tuning works, and I understand that small imperfections can wreak havoc on engines after periods of time whether short or long. However, the FA20 is known for having weak rods. Ask any shop that has tested the limits of the engine, or who has build these engines. They will tell you the same thing.

A rod snapped in half doesn't necessarily mean that it was a weak rod, and more importantly, even if it WAS a weak rod, that doesn't mean that all FA20 rods are weak...or that it wasn't a bad tune and lack of fuel that caused a detonation or OTHER event that broke the rod.

When you have people that break rods on stock cars and you have others that are running for tens of thousands of miles on 400whp builds, you have to ask what is more likely, that there are a few cars that had poor quality control and got defective rods, or that there are a couple of cars that got exceptionally well made rods and HAPPENED to boost those cars with the exceptional rods?

IMO, the most likely scenario is a combination of there being some defective rods out there AND there being some bad or marginal tunes out there.

Any time you're boosting a 12.5 CR engine, tuning becomes precarious.


If every boosted car was bending and breaking rods and stock cars WEREN'T, then you'd have a point. As it stands, I don't see this as being a likely case.

Jaden

[FRS Justin]

Originally Posted by Jaden

A rod snapped in half doesn't necessarily mean that it was a weak rod, and more importantly, even if it WAS a weak rod, that doesn't mean that all FA20 rods are weak...or that it wasn't a bad tune and lack of fuel that caused a detonation or OTHER event that broke the rod.

When you have people that break rods on stock cars and you have others that are running for tens of thousands of miles on 400whp builds, you have to ask what is more likely, that there are a few cars that had poor quality control and got defective rods, or that there are a couple of cars that got exceptionally well made rods and HAPPENED to boost those cars with the exceptional rods?

IMO, the most likely scenario is a combination of there being some defective rods out there AND there being some bad or marginal tunes out there.

Any time you're boosting a 12.5 CR engine, tuning becomes precarious.


If every boosted car was bending and breaking rods and stock cars WEREN'T, then you'd have a point. As it stands, I don't see this as being a likely case.

Jaden

I can definitely see your point of view but on the flip side of that, how would you explain some people with a motor pushing 400whp and living vs another that blew if they are tuned by the same tuner??? That has happened and will continue to happen.... Maybe people should think of the 3rd element involved in the blown motor scenario which is the driver.....

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by FRS Justin

I can definitely see your point of view but on the flip side of that, how would you explain some people with a motor pushing 400whp and living vs another that blew if they are tuned by the same tuner??? That has happened and will continue to happen.... Maybe people should think of the 3rd element involved in the blown motor scenario which is the driver.....

It appears that there are some quality control issues on the rods. Because of that I would suggest that anyone boosting understand that and know that they may have defective rods and might want a built motor...

Jaden