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Old 04-22-2022, 10:40 AM   #15
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With that out of the way, i have seen a few ads for GR86's in my local car dealerships (mostly AT) ...they used to have more available at the beginning of the year though. And i've only ever seen 1 2022 BRZ on the road. Not sure if the dealers have any in stock right now.
My local area must be some sort of phenomenon. It thought maybe it was a Canada wide thing but maybe just the luck of the draw locally but I have seen many BRZs/86s both on the roads and dealer lots around here. In fact, in the last month, I have seen more 22s than all the other years put together.

LOL In fact 50% of the local small town dealer's listed new car stock right now is an 86!
https://www.woodstocktoyota.ca/new/?...E&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Is a better time to buy a new car than a used one though!
No doubt. Still can't believe how lucky I was being able to go from Gen1 to Gen2 (and only because I had access to the Toyota Employee Purchase Program) with relatively little out-of-pocket.

My old car. 2020 BRZ limited with 32,000 miles Bought for 28,500 (w/o tax, title) and sold to Vroom for $27,817 (which they are now trying to sell for 30k).

My new car. 2022 GR86 premium with 7 miles. Bought for 30,400 (including PPF, homelink and mats, w/o tax and title).
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My local area must be some sort of phenomenon. It thought maybe it was a Canada wide thing but maybe just the luck of the draw locally but I have seen many BRZs/86s both on the roads and dealer lots around here. In fact, in the last month, I have seen more 22s than all the other years put together.

LOL In fact 50% of the local small town dealer's listed new car stock right now is an 86!
https://www.woodstocktoyota.ca/new/?...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

The funny thing is that the two overpriced 2020 86's from the one dealership are STILL there, and due to the supply chain issues their prices are a little bit more in line (but still overpriced) with the situation nowadays lol. Plus they did bump the price of the AT model awhile ago.....
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What i dont get about the whole EV vs ICE situation and the so-called death of the ICE, is that...Theres barely any cars available and whatever is on the lots are gone right away....

How the heck are we supposed to have this mass transition towards EV when
1.) we dont have EV cars to transition to
2.) we dont have ICE cars to transition from

and wait lists for both are incredibly long right now (EV's are like 1 year out....your typical ICE is a few months out...and something like the Land Cruiser 300 series that was just released has like a 4 year wait time......)

And we're supposed to meet all these government mandated timelines of like 2030 for full EV transition and no more ICE sales?

These idiots in charge NEVER seem to take into account ANY logistical and manufacturing setback, the current supply chain issues, any potential setbacks in other related sectors (ie slow rollout of EV infrastructure) or even the fact that a giant chunk of the population isnt going to just drop their cars for an EV just to have an EV (they'll most likely drive whatever they have until they need to get something new)
I spend a lot of time thinking about this because 1. I do believe that progressing toward widespread EV adoption is critical to our survival, but 2. I would probably wither away and die without fun ICE vehicles in my world.

I am confident we will never lose any of the history or heritage of ICE vehicles. At least the good stuff. I think appreciation will only grow with time. The day will come though when buying an ICE vehicle as an A to B appliance no longer makes financial sense, even for poorer folks. Will enthusiast ICE cars still be made then? I feel there is no EV substitute, so I hope so. The big question is how we will be able to continue to enjoy the ones that already exist when that day comes? It will be here sooner than we all think.

My hope is that we'll get some sort of regulatory niche to live in that's not too pricy. As we all know, we're so small in number we wouldn't make much of an impact on pollution or carbon so c'mon.
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I spend a lot of time thinking about this because 1. I do believe that progressing toward widespread EV adoption is critical to our survival, but 2. I would probably wither away and die without fun ICE vehicles in my world.

I am confident we will never lose any of the history or heritage of ICE vehicles. At least the good stuff. I think appreciation will only grow with time. The day will come though when buying an ICE vehicle as an A to B appliance no longer makes financial sense, even for poorer folks. Will enthusiast ICE cars still be made then? I feel there is no EV substitute, so I hope so. The big question is how we will be able to continue to enjoy the ones that already exist when that day comes? It will be here sooner than we all think.

My hope is that we'll get some sort of regulatory niche to live in that's not too pricy. As we all know, we're so small in number we wouldn't make much of an impact on pollution or carbon so c'mon.
As EVs increase and demand for gas decreases the price per gallon will increase. Pretty sure that $12 a gallon gas will be the only control they will need on the remaining ICE vehicles. It will become an expensive hobby like owning horses is now.
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I guess the silver lining is that these supply issues are hitting everyone across the board - that way, there should be less issues of people who really want a GR86/BRZ, opting to go for a competitor because of availability (since nothing is available).
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I guess the silver lining is that these supply issues are hitting everyone across the board - that way, there should be less issues of people who really want a GR86/BRZ, opting to go for a competitor because of availability (since nothing is available).
Dodge is still churning out Chargers and Challengers. I see dozens of trucks hauling them down the highway every day.
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just saw my first road-registered '22 brz going the opposite way on the highway today.

about a month ago, i saw 2 on the back of a car hauler, as well, but that's really it for my area so far.
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As EVs increase and demand for gas decreases the price per gallon will increase. Pretty sure that $12 a gallon gas will be the only control they will need on the remaining ICE vehicles. It will become an expensive hobby like owning horses is now.
The worst thing about horses is that they need repairs, fuel, and tires, so to speak, even if you aren’t “driving” them. My parents haven’t ridden theirs in 5+ years. The horses just stand out in the field consuming money.
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The worst thing about horses is that they need repairs, fuel, and tires, so to speak, even if you aren’t “driving” them. My parents haven’t ridden theirs in 5+ years. The horses just stand out in the field consuming money.
Yep. And that is what will happen when ICE become hobby vehicles.
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Yep. And that is what will happen when ICE become hobby vehicles.

There are already mechanisms in place to keep the cost low on infrequently driven cars. Classic tags, weekend driver insurance plans. It won’t literally be consuming fuel as it slumbers in the garage the way horses need fed.

I think we are many years from that being the case, though. If new car volume went 100% EV today, it would still take ~10 years to turn over 1/2 of the fleet. And we are probably 10 years or more from that BEV having that kind of new market penetration.

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but ev will eventually alter the supply/demand structure of current oil refining demands in a way the globe really hasn't seen before.

likely, they'll shift refinery duties from producing large quantities of gasoline to other petroleum substances. we'll likely end up importing gasoline in niche amounts from other countries that aren't such emissions powerhouse, and still refine to gasoline. the shipping will drive the price up and out of the hands of typical people.
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There are already mechanisms in place to keep the cost low on infrequently driven cars. Classic tags, weekend driver insurance plans. It won’t literally be consuming fuel as it slumbers in the garage the way horses need fed.

I think we are many years from that being the case, though. If new car volume went 100% EV today, it would still take ~10 years to turn over 1/2 of the fleet. And we are probably 10 years or more from that BEV having that kind of new market penetration.

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Didn't say it will be tomorrow.
The current systems for classic cars assume that the majority of new cars are still ICE. When ICE goes away yes there will still be those special antique car techs, insurance , parts etc but the price of them will go through the roof. That is ignoring what the price of gas will do when it is a small scale niche hobby product and not a mass consumer commodity.
The change to EVs will force ICE operating costs up way faster than you may think. Every single gallon of gas reduced will eventually push the rest up.
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Well they need product to sell and thats the only things they sell lol.
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