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11-20-2016, 03:44 PM | #29 | |
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I could "maybe... possibly..." picture a scenario where, under excessive stress and many heat cycles, there might be some creep. But I've never seen it firsthand. Grrrr...
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These would add approximately the same amount of performance benefit that TRD damped strut bracing adds.
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I have read stories of people snapping their studs when tightening their wheels to spec many times (I believe spec is 90 ft/lbs). in that regard, a torque wrench might be useful since the studs are so weak and it would be easy to over tighten if you do not use a torque wrench. I personally have been tightening my lugs to 82 ft/lbs for many years ever since my first car since that's all it needed lol. I thought it was the same for every car until I heard about the 90 ft/lbs for this one, but I still never used 90 anyways.
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I was installing the OEM mud flaps today and had to remove/reinstall the rear wheels. The wheels were installed in the dealer last time supposedly at the correct torque. When removing the wheels, I had to give about half of my weight to loosen the lug nuts. I am about 170 pounds. The torque spec is 89 ft-lbs. The stock lug wrench has about 1 ft long handle. My half weight is 85 pounds. So I applied ~85 ft-lbs torque. I did the same when I was reinstalling. Done!
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Using a torque wrench is critical if you are doing any track/autox/performance driving. If you are just driving around town, doing it by hand should be "good enough". I think it is more important to re-check your lug nuts after several miles of driving. I usually find one that is looser than the rest, and needs to be re-torqued.
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http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/154
I'm not to argue with you about it beyond this, but I have seen it and this article mentions it. It must come from uneven tightening and if you REALLY torque hard enough and it's uneven enough, you're going to warp the rotor. Read the article. Either way, there's lots of bad things that come of under- or over-tightening and if you are inexperienced you can do some expensive damage. Even a cheap torque wrench will at least get you in the neighborhood. It's not an exact science, there's some leeway. I have a cheapo torque wrench (off Amazon) and when I do my wheels, it's plenty good enough. But when I went to do my header bolts (29 lb-ft IIRC) it was not up to the task and I had to go by feel. |
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I have actually seen this phenomenon happen. Last year I helped a friend change to his new winter wheels since he doesn't have a garage. He torqued the nuts, and I checked all of them. I told him to come back in a day or two so we could check them again. He didn't came back. A week later, he was on the highway and got a really bad vibration from his front-right wheel. A lug nut had fallen off, and another was loose. There is essentially 0% chance that we both missed multiple lug nuts on the same wheel. I re-tightened all of his lug nuts using the same torque wrench, and found several more that weren't up to spec. Even if we had both missed the lug nut, re-checking them a day later would have prevented this hazard from occurring. I see little reason why anybody shouldn't re-check their lug nuts. It takes less than 5 minutes. I frequently find one that isn't up to spec. And I'm the one who isn't doing it right? Really? |
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* new wheels should be checked after the settle in. * since you and your buddy can't seem to get the lug nuts tight the first time, there are most likely others ...... so, maybe ya'll should check them twice. Ya, know, after a shop rotates my wheels, I've never had them say that the lug nuts should be rechecked after a few miles...?? Why didn't the dealership where I bought my car (with 2 miles on it) insist that I bring it back in for a lug nut tightness check, after a few miles.....?? Now, I've tightened lug nuts on 10 hole bud wheels off of large trucks, large (6') tractor wheels, drive sprockets on M-60 tanks, several other military vehicles and many, farm tractors, trailers, wagons, combines, hay bailers ........ and I've never used a torque wrench or re-checked them ....... and never had a wheel fall off. NO, @Tcoat ...... I have not changed the wheel on a covered wagon or an ox cart. So, there, C4RBON if YOU need a nanny torque wrench and have to check the tightness of lug nuts twice ....... that's OK........I don't. humfrz |
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I torque and then re-torque. It's just laziness not to. I have never had a lug nut get loose but on re-torquing I always get a just a little out of at least 1 or 2.
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I use one. Anything involving your brakes/wheels/tires is not something you half ass. If the wheel studs on these cars are really so weak, that's just another reason to use a torque wrench so you know you're not putting too much on them.
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HEY! I AM NOT lazy! .......now, I have to go take ma mid morning nap ... ZZZZZ humfrz |
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