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Old 08-09-2020, 11:22 PM   #85
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No, although that is a cool story, what I'm saying is everyone is coming to conclusions from random heresy and innuendo.

To me it looks like it's just a refresh, like the 17 was, maybe, maybe not.

I could be wrong though, as you said, it could be someone wrapped a stock car with some aftermarket bit, if so they would have just won the intetnet.

Here's hoping.

Until I can go to the dealer and drop coin, it is all wishful thinking, unicorns and rainbows.
but the press release and timeline leak did call it a next gen.

there are a number of cars that also look VERY similar to their predecessor. im sure you are aware of evolution styling. below are just a few examples.

911: 991 & 992
Cayman/Boxster: 981 & 982
5 series: F10 & G30
7 series: F01 & G11
Tacoma: N220 & N300
S-Class: W221 & W222
Golf: MK5 & 6 / MK7 & 8
Outback: 6th & 7th gen
Accord: 8th & 9th gen
Civic: 8th & 9th gen
F150: 11th & 12th gen / 13th & 14th gen
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but the press release and timeline leak did call it a next gen.

there are a number of cars that also look VERY similar to their predecessor. im sure you are aware of evolution styling. below are just a few examples.

911: 991 & 992
Cayman/Boxster: 981 & 982
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Leak, yeah Ok.

I am aware of model evolution, I just like to actually see this "new" model.

My bet is it is just a refresh, I hope not, but that's just my bet.

I would like to be proved wrong, but going of the current "solid" evidence I'm not currently optimistic that it will be a vast improvement over the current car, if, it does actually come out.

As for renders, I've seen at least 1 every year since the initial release, all saying it's going to be turbo, or 2.4, or in line 4.

Maybe this is why I am sceptical, when a wrapped car with the the same basic body lines shows up on a street, and someone takes some footage claiming it is the new car.

Meh, until it is released some people with advertise their hopes and dreams as facts, meanwhile, websites will publish everything and anything that makes the over excitable click on a link.

Me, I'm waiting to hear from my broker, he knows he will make some money if a new car is released which floats my boat.

Until then, I'm enjoying all the rumours.

My Unicorn and raindow request for the next 86, if, in fact, there is one..............I hope the "new" car is a Toyota IL4 (raised bonnet), manual, sports coupe, it probably won't be, because of that Bavarian 4cyl t Zupra.

Still, a NA Toyota engine would be sweet, there's always the aftermarket to supply boost, I would be in for around $40kAUD for a base one, add $10k for some boost, and away you go🦄🦄🦄🦄🦆🦆🦆🦆.
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One other thing to consider when it comes to refresh vs. new generation: This is as much a BRZ as it is an 86. If history is any indicator, BRZ will have a different face more in line with Subaru's corporate faces but share most everything else. Subaru has played it quite safe with styling on new generations in recent years (18/19 Forester, 19/20 Outback, etc.). This car looking relatively close to our current gen but still being a new one isn't too farfetched.
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not sure what some folks are seeing, I see an 86 with new lines

WEll it looks like a style evolution of the current one.

But its almost spot on with those red car renders (like in the first post).....im sure the details are a bit off though. Front fascia looks like its going to be the same as the red car renders.
The rear fascia looks similar but detailing of the light cluster looks to incorporate circles rather than the straight lines of the render.

Im a little disappointed, i was hoping the renders were way off, but they look like it might be 75% correct. Its alot more generic sports car looking now.

Im sure interior is going to be way different though.... Theres just too many cut/paste details from supra and current 86 for it to be believable. except its probably going to have the tablet-stuck-to-dash screen look (since its all the rage now....)

Since it should be revealed soonish i guess i can wait and see what its like (its only a year away it seems). My guess is the car is gonna end up being more upscale and refined, but less raw, and probably loses some of what makes the current 86...the current 86. Maybe like its closer to a 4cyl supra with 2 extra back seats and a stick shift.

Im also gonna guess the price will increase a little bit which also happens to open up some space to introduce a so-called third brother below it (if that plan is still going to go ahead in some fashion)
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Leak, yeah Ok.

I am aware of model evolution, I just like to actually see this "new" model.

My bet is it is just a refresh, I hope not, but that's just my bet.

I would like to be proved wrong, but going of the current "solid" evidence I'm not currently optimistic that it will be a vast improvement over the current car, if, it does actually come out.

As for renders, I've seen at least 1 every year since the initial release, all saying it's going to be turbo, or 2.4, or in line 4.

Maybe this is why I am sceptical, when a wrapped car with the the same basic body lines shows up on a street, and someone takes some footage claiming it is the new car.

Meh, until it is released some people with advertise their hopes and dreams as facts, meanwhile, websites will publish everything and anything that makes the over excitable click on a link.

Me, I'm waiting to hear from my broker, he knows he will make some money if a new car is released which floats my boat.

Until then, I'm enjoying all the rumours.

My Unicorn and raindow request for the next 86, if, in fact, there is one..............I hope the "new" car is a Toyota IL4 (raised bonnet), manual, sports coupe, it probably won't be, because of that Bavarian 4cyl t Zupra.

Still, a NA Toyota engine would be sweet, there's always the aftermarket to supply boost, I would be in for around $40kAUD for a base one, add $10k for some boost, and away you go����������������.
ok the leak said an all hybrid Sienna and crossover and guess what happened? but ok believe what you want to believe.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-...of-lifestyles/

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-...nza-crossover/

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Who wants to see the GR86 with the new Yamaha electric motors running at the front?
Toyota wanted to make the supra a hybrid, but they didn't.
This could be their chance.

Subby engine, Yamaha electric motors, Toyota design.

That's the only way that I would upgrade. Otherwise edelbrock is still on the horizon.
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so the internet doesn't question Porsche when they said they the 982 (below) is a new gen from the 981 (above)...










but noooo this can't be more then just a facelift...














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so the internet doesn't question Porsche when they said they the 982 (below) is a new gen from the 981 (above)...










but noooo this can't be more then just a facelift...














So, was the 17+ cars the gen2.

Also, which render do you have your money on?

Me, for a second gen, I think along the lines of the changes that the Celica and the Supra went through.

Not just some lights and lines, I'm talking body, powertrain, drivetrain.

Hell, look at how Mustangs changed, Camaros, RX7, Civic, and all the other generations of cars that evolved over time.

Let marketing call these small changes what they will, but for the last 100 years, the following model generation was more than a facelift.

Anyways, this is my thoughts on the subject, feel free to think what you want.

I'm still hoping for a Toyota IL4 and a stronger gearbox.

We both could be right and/or wrong.

Time will tell
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One other thing to consider when it comes to refresh vs. new generation: This is as much a BRZ as it is an 86. If history is any indicator, BRZ will have a different face more in line with Subaru's corporate faces but share most everything else. Subaru has played it quite safe with styling on new generations in recent years (18/19 Forester, 19/20 Outback, etc.). This car looking relatively close to our current gen but still being a new one isn't too farfetched.
But the clickbaits that some love so much said the BRZ is discontinued and there will only be the 86 so it can't be a BRZ!
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Captain obvious here again. For all the master click baiters out there, just a reminder that a 2.4L NA putting out 217 HP, 177 ft/lb should easily remain NA and produce 250 HP with a tune and/or exhaust modification. That's A LOT less expense and work to achieve that power as compared to going FI. THAT will satisfy a great many people.
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Who wants to see the GR86 with the new Yamaha electric motors running at the front?
Toyota wanted to make the supra a hybrid, but they didn't.
This could be their chance.

Subby engine, Yamaha electric motors, Toyota design.

That's the only way that I would upgrade. Otherwise edelbrock is still on the horizon.
I'm sure the Supra could still get a hybrid powertrain. Or at least the CLARS architecture supports it.

As for the the 86/BRZ... eh. We'll probably see fairly soon if they made changes underneath the car that adds rooms for something... like batteries.

We aren't getting a turbo period. We all need to give up on that. But an electric motor would easily fill that gap and would likely cost the same or less to do with battery prices tanking and economies of scale beginning to work in favor of EVs and hybrids. I can imagine +30 hp and +70 torque with 50 mpg... That would be very, very cool.
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Captain obvious here again. For all the master click baiters out there, just a reminder that a 2.4L NA putting out 217 HP, 177 ft/lb should easily remain NA and produce 250 HP with a tune and/or exhaust modification. That's A LOT less expense and work to achieve that power as compared to going FI. THAT will satisfy a great many people.
Dont forget that everything is just speculation and the spy shot video only came out recently.

It may or may not have anything to do with all the rumors!
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So, was the 17+ cars the gen2.

Also, which render do you have your money on?

Me, for a second gen, I think along the lines of the changes that the Celica and the Supra went through.

Not just some lights and lines, I'm talking body, powertrain, drivetrain.

Hell, look at how Mustangs changed, Camaros, RX7, Civic, and all the other generations of cars that evolved over time.

Let marketing call these small changes what they will, but for the last 100 years, the following model generation was more than a facelift.

Anyways, this is my thoughts on the subject, feel free to think what you want.

I'm still hoping for a Toyota IL4 and a stronger gearbox.

We both could be right and/or wrong.

Time will tell
so are the 981 and 982 the same cars?

regarding the 17 86/BRZ that was just headlights and bumpers. if the Bestcar renders are accurate they will be new changes under the hood with a 2.4. visual wise the lights, bumpers, hood, fenders, mirrors, and trunk lid. less notices things are subtle changes for line cease on the top of the door and bottom side skirt.

were they tho? Camry XV40 and XV50 were basically the same car with reworked sheet metal and dressed up interior. the two even shared the same basic dimensions, platform and drivetrain. the 3rd gen Tacoma's cab and 2.7 were also carried over. the 14th gen F150's frame, cab, and drivetrains are all carried over from the 13th gen as well. i just think the lines are blur these days.

8th gen Accord (2008–2012) vs 9th (2013–2017) i can keep going on with ton of more examples, but dont wanna fill the thread up with more pics. i think we're just going to have to agree to disagree, but you're right time will tell.

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