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learnerspermit · 09-25-2013, 06:53 PM

Check Engine Light, Rough Idle, Limp Mode
2013 Scion FRS

So I leased the car on Saturday and have been putting some miles on it back and forth to work this week. Left Kroger today and the car started idling rough, not accelerating and died. Attempted to re start the car 5 or 6 times and I recieved a "Check Engine Light" , "Trac Off", and another light. The car idled terribly and wouldnt drive over 5 mph! Pulled back into a parking spot, turned it off, called the Toyota dealer and they said "check the fuel cap". I said it hasn't been touched since you guys filled it up before we left Saturday. The service advisor followed with "drive it up there first thing in the morning". (Wow

) Fortunately my house was less than 2 miles away from Kroger where I broke down. Started the car up and it was able to rev up the CEL was still on but the "Trac Off" had extinguished. It drove decently home with a rough idle. Im going to suspect that the car has the wrong grade fuel in it and being so new the computer is very unhappy with some crappy fuel. I will post my findings tomorrow.

September 26 2013
A little update:
Dealer opens at 7 a.m. this morning. So as I'm driving to work I got a nice surprise I set the cruise control "arm" switch and on the display it illuminates but won't engage to hold a speed, and the arm light with not extinguish. Continue driving to the dealer. Pull up to the service lane and while waiting for them to open the car starts having a rough idle and proceeded to hunt for the idle followed by the engine dying from what seems like a lack of fuel. I then attempted to re start the engine, took two attempts and then started. So now I have a cruise light on, and a check engine light still. Now I've been told that they are out of courtesy rental cars today. I'm waiting on a sales manger to come in....... I know nothing about a direct injected engine like this particular one, but the car acts like my Duramax did when it had a bad fuel filter so I'm assuming direct injection is similar in theory of operation to the injection on a diesel please correct me? I have been shafted on car issues latley the same day I bought this I got my Volks for my other car scratched to shit at the tire place another on going battle this week.

Here's a video of the bad idle and dying waiting to go in the service lane
[ame]http://youtu.be/adQ0kNgp6Ks[/ame]

Update:
September 26 2013
Newest update just attempted to return my car to me. I was told a "loose negative battery cable" I smell bullshit and have a feeling I will be back soon. Codes were cleared however codes listed on my invoice:
PO87
PO171 (system to lean?)
PO193 (fuel rail pressure?)
PO1604
C1201 (communication stop with ECU)
C1241 (low battery positive voltage)
B1410

Googled trouble codes found those. My question is if In Fact this was due to a loose battery terminal why did I NOT get a battery light anywhere during this process?

Another issue this morning was the seat "pull to release" for the drivers side doesn't release the seat to slide forward for access to the back doesn't function. Invoice said everything worked fine so it's back in the service bay will update.

And the solution was told to me that's it's not suppose to work so the driver can't be moved while driving.

and for reference this is the release in referring to

Update

September 27 2013

Back at the dealer again today. To no surprise same issue this time instead of breaking down in a Kroger parking lot it was while crossing traffic. Got to the dealer and the lead tech supervisor today was very professional and knowledgable he apologized for the mis communication from the service advisor yesterday and is personally handling this process now. He pulled the codes and they were again "fuel" related today... He's keeping the car over the weekend to run diagnostics as well as forwarding this information to Toyota. Hopefully Monday I will get my car back because I have to go out of town for work Tuesday. They also provided me with a nice rental car today.

Case closed 17 OCT 2013

Well finally go my car back from the dealer today. They diagnosed the issue to faulty wiring on the direct injection sensor to the harness. So the harness has been replaced and the car is fine now. Basically as the voltage changes due to the loose wire, the direct injection was told to dump fuel immediately followed by a lean code etc read the above for better description. I'm really happy with the service tech and the local dealer how they handled this now and happy to finally have the car.

ModBargains · 09-25-2013, 06:59 PM

First time I've heard of someone with that issue, be sure to update us and let us know what the cause was.

Kelbyat07 · 09-25-2013, 07:05 PM

I swear if someone really filled up the car with the wrong gas is a moron, it even says what kind of gas to get on the gas cap. Good luck and i hope everything work out well for you.

feldy · 09-25-2013, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModBargains

First time I've heard of someone with that issue, be sure to update us and let us know what the cause was.

Really there is a million of these threads about the same thing happening. Been happening to people since they got the car. Shit some people had it happen to the car before they got out of the parking lot.

BlueDubbinTDI · 09-25-2013, 09:11 PM

My money is on a fuel issue too. Get an octane booster from advanced auto before you drive it back and see how that feels.

SloS14 · 09-25-2013, 09:14 PM

do you have any idea how much octane booster he would need to actually make a difference? ~10 gallon tank, assuming it is at 1/4 tank and he has 87 octane in there: according to my calculations he would need 1.5 assloads of it.

Doborder · 09-25-2013, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SloS14

do you have any idea how much octane booster he would need to actually make a difference? ~10 gallon tank, assuming it is at 1/4 tank and he has 87 octane in there: according to my calculations he would need 1.5 assloads of it.

I couldn't stop laughing after reading this thread...

Mr.Jay · 09-25-2013, 09:45 PM

this is sounding a lot like that guy who had transmission issues after like 15 miles and turned out there was little to no tranny fluid in the car...

I hope your situation is better than that one

BRZnut · 09-25-2013, 10:30 PM

Sounds to me like the Cam issues , but I though those issues were fixed. This is a new car (recent build) right?

Tromatic · 09-25-2013, 11:07 PM

Mine ran fine on a tank of 87.

nix · 09-26-2013, 12:13 AM

You should be OK to drive it back to the dealer, try and maintain rpm higher than normal and bump it into neutral as you begin to stop.

dehydratedH2O · 09-26-2013, 12:27 AM

this is not an octane issue. the car will run on low octane gas without going into limp mode. if you can't get it out of limp mode, have the dealer pick it up from your house with a tow truck. limp mode doesn't exist so you can get it to the dealer, it exists to get the car off the road for a safe tow.

#944_10_Series_FRS · 09-26-2013, 01:32 AM

It could be the person who filled up the tank before delivery filled it up with diesel instead of gas.

ProTekk · 09-26-2013, 01:42 AM

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09-25-2013, 06:53 PM	#1
learnerspermit Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: C-17A Location: Mississippi USA Posts: 37 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Car Dies at 170 Miles Check Engine Limp etc CASE CLOSED Check Engine Light, Rough Idle, Limp Mode 2013 Scion FRS So I leased the car on Saturday and have been putting some miles on it back and forth to work this week. Left Kroger today and the car started idling rough, not accelerating and died. Attempted to re start the car 5 or 6 times and I recieved a "Check Engine Light" , "Trac Off", and another light. The car idled terribly and wouldnt drive over 5 mph! Pulled back into a parking spot, turned it off, called the Toyota dealer and they said "check the fuel cap". I said it hasn't been touched since you guys filled it up before we left Saturday. The service advisor followed with "drive it up there first thing in the morning". (Wow) Fortunately my house was less than 2 miles away from Kroger where I broke down. Started the car up and it was able to rev up the CEL was still on but the "Trac Off" had extinguished. It drove decently home with a rough idle. Im going to suspect that the car has the wrong grade fuel in it and being so new the computer is very unhappy with some crappy fuel. I will post my findings tomorrow. September 26 2013 A little update: Dealer opens at 7 a.m. this morning. So as I'm driving to work I got a nice surprise I set the cruise control "arm" switch and on the display it illuminates but won't engage to hold a speed, and the arm light with not extinguish. Continue driving to the dealer. Pull up to the service lane and while waiting for them to open the car starts having a rough idle and proceeded to hunt for the idle followed by the engine dying from what seems like a lack of fuel. I then attempted to re start the engine, took two attempts and then started. So now I have a cruise light on, and a check engine light still. Now I've been told that they are out of courtesy rental cars today. I'm waiting on a sales manger to come in....... I know nothing about a direct injected engine like this particular one, but the car acts like my Duramax did when it had a bad fuel filter so I'm assuming direct injection is similar in theory of operation to the injection on a diesel please correct me? I have been shafted on car issues latley the same day I bought this I got my Volks for my other car scratched to shit at the tire place another on going battle this week. Here's a video of the bad idle and dying waiting to go in the service lane [ame]http://youtu.be/adQ0kNgp6Ks[/ame] Update: September 26 2013 Newest update just attempted to return my car to me. I was told a "loose negative battery cable" I smell bullshit and have a feeling I will be back soon. Codes were cleared however codes listed on my invoice: PO87 PO171 (system to lean?) PO193 (fuel rail pressure?) PO1604 C1201 (communication stop with ECU) C1241 (low battery positive voltage) B1410 Googled trouble codes found those. My question is if In Fact this was due to a loose battery terminal why did I NOT get a battery light anywhere during this process? Another issue this morning was the seat "pull to release" for the drivers side doesn't release the seat to slide forward for access to the back doesn't function. Invoice said everything worked fine so it's back in the service bay will update. And the solution was told to me that's it's not suppose to work so the driver can't be moved while driving. and for reference this is the release in referring to Update September 27 2013 Back at the dealer again today. To no surprise same issue this time instead of breaking down in a Kroger parking lot it was while crossing traffic. Got to the dealer and the lead tech supervisor today was very professional and knowledgable he apologized for the mis communication from the service advisor yesterday and is personally handling this process now. He pulled the codes and they were again "fuel" related today... He's keeping the car over the weekend to run diagnostics as well as forwarding this information to Toyota. Hopefully Monday I will get my car back because I have to go out of town for work Tuesday. They also provided me with a nice rental car today. Case closed 17 OCT 2013 Well finally go my car back from the dealer today. They diagnosed the issue to faulty wiring on the direct injection sensor to the harness. So the harness has been replaced and the car is fine now. Basically as the voltage changes due to the loose wire, the direct injection was told to dump fuel immediately followed by a lean code etc read the above for better description. I'm really happy with the service tech and the local dealer how they handled this now and happy to finally have the car. Last edited by learnerspermit; 10-17-2013 at 06:46 PM.

09-25-2013, 07:05 PM	#3
Kelbyat07 Poor College Kid Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: ~.~ Location: Chicago Posts: 2,801 Thanks: 246 Thanked 2,182 Times in 1,249 Posts Mentioned: 32 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I swear if someone really filled up the car with the wrong gas is a moron, it even says what kind of gas to get on the gas cap. Good luck and i hope everything work out well for you. __________________

09-25-2013, 09:45 PM	#8
Mr.Jay Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: FRS :D Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 2,985 Thanks: 545 Thanked 699 Times in 438 Posts Mentioned: 18 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	this is sounding a lot like that guy who had transmission issues after like 15 miles and turned out there was little to no tranny fluid in the car... I hope your situation is better than that one __________________ Out of the FRS game

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09-25-2013, 06:59 PM	#2
ModBargains Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: FRS, M3 Location: La Habra, CA Posts: 296 Thanks: 48 Thanked 135 Times in 103 Posts Mentioned: 24 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	First time I've heard of someone with that issue, be sure to update us and let us know what the cause was.

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09-25-2013, 09:14 PM	#6
SloS14 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S whiteout Location: United States Posts: 726 Thanks: 381 Thanked 652 Times in 256 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	do you have any idea how much octane booster he would need to actually make a difference? ~10 gallon tank, assuming it is at 1/4 tank and he has 87 octane in there: according to my calculations he would need 1.5 assloads of it.

09-25-2013, 10:30 PM	#9
BRZnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: BRZ DGM Limited Location: USA Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 5 Thanked 431 Times in 250 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Sounds to me like the Cam issues , but I though those issues were fixed. This is a new car (recent build) right?

09-25-2013, 11:07 PM	#10
Tromatic Banned Join Date: May 2013 Drives: FR-S Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,232 Thanks: 61 Thanked 1,728 Times in 786 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Mine ran fine on a tank of 87.

09-26-2013, 12:27 AM	#12
dehydratedH2O Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: 2014 BRZ Limited DGM Location: MD/DC Posts: 80 Thanks: 6 Thanked 25 Times in 17 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	this is not an octane issue. the car will run on low octane gas without going into limp mode. if you can't get it out of limp mode, have the dealer pick it up from your house with a tow truck. limp mode doesn't exist so you can get it to the dealer, it exists to get the car off the road for a safe tow.

09-26-2013, 01:32 AM	#13
#944_10_Series_FRS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: 2013 10 series FRS #944 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,705 Thanks: 329 Thanked 352 Times in 248 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It could be the person who filled up the tank before delivery filled it up with diesel instead of gas.

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