COVID Developments and News

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Atropine

I really wasn't man.

Like a lot of research journals, it is poorly worded (doesn't flow well).

It was saying that it could be used for other applications as well.

I am not trying to fight anyone here about this.

I am exposed to COVID every day at work. I would love for there to be a shot that stop transmission (like a real/traditional vaccine).

These "vaccines" are more prophylactics, as in they help reduce symptoms and prevent death.

Most everyone in this thread as been an asshole at some point. This is a tough topic because leadership has been poor on this subject and many of us have had personal losses from COVID. This could be the loss of a loved one or the loss of a private business/livelihood or the loss of a hobby.

Not a single person in this thread is happy where this has gone.

Anway...
/olivebranch

We are all on the same side. We want COVID to away, we just aren't all on the same page on how to get there.

We could nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[Capt Spaulding]

The article points out that this variant "likely originated in Tanzania." I think many sometimes forget that this is a global pandemic and control measures must take that into account. If we as a nation are serious about dealing with this we really should do whatever it takes to make sure that everyone, everywhere (not just the US) is vaccinated as rapidly as possible. We must make vaccine supplies available to anyone and any nation anywhere. And, at the same time, be actively pursuing responses to Covid's attempts to breakout of the cordon we are trying put into place to contain it.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Atropine

I am exposed to COVID every day at work. I would love for there to be a shot that stop transmission (like a real/traditional vaccine).

These "vaccines" are more prophylactics, as in they help reduce symptoms and prevent death.

...

We are all on the same side. We want COVID to away, we just aren't all on the same page on how to get there.

So vaccines have never been 100% effective. The only reason others seem so effective is because so many people are vaccinated that the retransmission rate is extremely low. If only 0.2% (2 in 1,000 people) are ever exposed, and only 5% of them (1 in 10,000 people) experience an infection that is not immediately defeated, the disease is slowed significantly. The amount of people exposed decreases further and further (try 0.01%, or one in 10k exposed) and that starts to look like the disease is gone.

[Dadhawk]

Meanwhile....

The number hospitalized in our system from Covid has fallen by over 75% from the peak on 9/14 and represents less than 12% of our total bedcount.

All current current inpatients are unvaccinated as were 9 of the 11 deaths last week.

[Lantanafrs2]

Centner school
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.ya...bkPifaf6Ak32:0

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by Atropine

I really wasn't man.



I am exposed to COVID every day at work. I would love for there to be a shot that stop transmission (like a real/traditional vaccine).

These "vaccines" are more prophylactics, as in they help reduce symptoms and prevent death.

I confess I am still puzzled as to what your game is here. You have been vaccine bashing since day one, but your attacks seem poorly framed. For instance, in the quoted portion of your post you misuse the term "prophylactics," implying that prophylaxis is the process of reducing symptoms. That is simply not true. Prophylaxis is the attempt to prevent disease NOT just mitigate its effects. Based on your statements as to your profession, you must know the difference.

If you have evidence that the vaccines we are discussing to NOT prevent disease, by all means, please share it. Based on all data I have seen, these vaccines do, indeed, prevent a large proportion of those exposed to Covid from developing the disease. The notion that vaccines "leak" (another canard) is not news to anyone who is paying attention. For some, that seems to have assumed the stature of an obsession. They/you continue to attack, quite vigorously, what seems to be a very good response to the problem. Why? Because it is not perfect? What vaccine is? And in doing so, they/you use/abuse their position as an "expert" to induce the weak minded to forego protection. And everyone suffers. Why?

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

I confess I am still puzzled as to what your game is here. You have been vaccine bashing since day one, but your attacks seem poorly framed. For instance, in the quoted portion of your post you misuse the term "prophylactics," implying that prophylaxis is the process of reducing symptoms. That is simply not true. Prophylaxis is the attempt to prevent disease NOT just mitigate its effects. Based on your statements as to your profession, you must know the difference.

If you have evidence that the vaccines we are discussing to NOT prevent disease, by all means, please share it. Based on all data I have seen, these vaccines do, indeed, prevent a large proportion of those exposed to Covid from developing the disease. The notion that vaccines "leak" (another canard) is not news to anyone who is paying attention. For some, that seems to have assumed the stature of an obsession. They/you continue to attack, quite vigorously, what seems to be a very good response to the problem. Why? Because it is not perfect? What vaccine is? And in doing so, they/you use/abuse their position as an "expert" to induce the weak minded to forego protection. And everyone suffers. Why?

Seems like maybe there's come confusion regarding COVID vs the disease itself.

As far as I understand it, you can contract COVID regardless of vaccination status, but the disease, aka the underlying conditions and such, are what are reduced or prevented.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by spike021

Seems like maybe there's come confusion regarding COVID vs the disease itself.

As far as I understand it, you can contract COVID regardless of vaccination status, but the disease, aka the underlying conditions and such, are what are reduced or prevented.

I fear you may have fallen victim to some of the disinformation distributed by some commenters. COVID (or COVID-19) IS the disease. The name COVID-19 was coined because it is a COrona VIrus Disease that emerged in 2019. It is caused by the virus SARS-COV-2. The vaccines are directed at SARS-COV-2 with the aim of preventing the disease. There is, indeed confusion about the naming of the disease. SARS-COV-2 is a mouthful, and rather than keep repeating it people just call the combination of the virus and the disease Covid. That's not really accurate.

Depending on which vaccine they received a vaccinated person may be only 1/10 as likely as an unvaccinated person to contract COVID if both are exposed to SARS-COV-2. That 1 unlucky bastard is the guy that some folks seem obsessed with.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

I fear you may have fallen victim to some of the disinformation distributed by some commenters. COVID (or COVID-19) IS the disease. The name COVID-19 was coined because it is a COrona VIrus Disease that emerged in 2019. It is caused by the virus SARS-COV-2. The vaccines are directed at SARS-COV-2 with the aim of preventing the disease. Depending on which vaccine they received a vaccinated person is only 1/10 as likely as an unvaccinated person to contract COVID if they are exposed to SARS-COV-2. That 1 unlucky bastard is the guy that some folks seem obsessed with.

Ahhh. Nah don't worry, I got mixed up is all (I'm not educated in bio stuff enough like this lol). That was the distinction I was (mistakenly) trying to make in my statement, lol.

But again, I think there's a lot of confusion (and even I'm guilty of it!) about the differences between the two.

[Atropine]

I have said I am pro-vax for most people, but anti mandate.

As far as the prophylactic statement...Pfizer is currently working on the medication for that.

Before COVID, a vaccine by definition prevented catching and transmitting the disease.

The definitition was literally changed in the last year.

Also the definition of herd immunity was changed as well.

Here is an article explaining it.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...254111268.html

Now how you parse this article is up to you.

Also the "leaky vaccine" argument is another argument. I provided a bunch of peer reviewed articles that point to evidence that leaky vaccines help create worse strains, but that has been ignored by some people.

Also @CaptSpaulding the other issue is that the vaccines last about 3-6 months. A lot of people are not aware of this. I can not think of any "vaccine" that is on a 3-6 month booster plan.

Maybe me being an old fashioned healthcare worker I am applying antiquated terms to new technology. Over time, we will see how this plays out.

[Lantanafrs2]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/28/healt...udy/index.html

[spike021]

An older family friend (I think in his 60's or maybe early 70's) who's unvaccinated caught COVID a month or so ago and has been intubated/on ventilator since. Sounds like he's not improving and may pass away this week unless there's a sudden improvement.

[spike021]

The Hidden U.S. COVID-19 Pandemic: Orphaned Children – More than 140,000 U.S. Children Lost a Primary or Secondary Caregiver Due to the COVID-19 Pandemic

One U.S. child loses a parent or caregiver for every four COVID-19-associated deaths, a new modeling studyexternal icon published today in Pediatrics reveals. The findings illustrate orphanhood as a hidden and ongoing secondary tragedy caused by the COVID-19 pandemic and emphasizes that identifying and caring for these children throughout their development is a necessary and urgent part of the pandemic response – both for as long as the pandemic continues, as well as in the post-pandemic era.

[Lantanafrs2]

Media is starting to recognize natural immunity. Itll be a slow process though.

https://samsung.tribunecontentagency...he-state-safe/