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12-27-2020, 09:59 AM | #15 | |
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Oh no, don’t say torque dip on this forum, you will trigger many and get presented with graphs showing cars with double the HP/Torque that also have dips. Others have had the same observation as you with regards to the static graph and of course people have to point out that it’s a static image as if anyone was suggesting otherwise. The 2017 graph was inline with baseline dynos by owners so I have no reason to doubt the new static image is also accurate. If the new curve really is accurate then I suspect the new one will have less people saying it’s slow. It’s not an easy car to test drive properly. If you have a salesman in the car you’re not going to keep it over the dip the whole drive so naturally you walk away thinking it’s slow. When I drove mine I had my wife with me and the sales guy didn’t want to cram in the back so I was able to drive it properly. I did a long hold on the TC button and gave it a proper drive sideways. I was ready to end my drive short because I was already sold and my wife convinced me to test the radio and take it on the highway. It wasn’t until I bought a Twin and was doing typical daily driving that I discovered the dip. If you simply want a Twin for the track the dip isn’t much of an issue. If your also daily driving and aren’t coming from a 1995 Civic DX then the new one is a better candidate. I’m going to trigger some more people with my next statement, buy the manual! |
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12-27-2020, 10:16 AM | #16 |
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Don't think of it as a torque 'dip' around 3500 rpm, but a torque bump from 1000-3000 rpm, down there low where you want it for street driving.
I'm sure there are ways to detune the engine to reduce torque below 3000 rpm and 'smooth out' the torque curve. |
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The test drive I took in 2017 was a "full review". My salesman came with, and at the end he was "green" but never asked me to back off. I started with some easy daily driving in town, then ran the car through the Rev Range merging onto the interstate and finished with a particularly fun section of back road sweepers where I tested the cars cornering limits. (and gave the salesman a bit more of a driving "experience" than he would have liked) In certain situations the car drove quite well...it fact I was amazed with the chassis! But the power, right in the middle of the RPM range, was lacking. Thus my decision to stay "german" with my E90 daily and 997.2 "fun" car. Also, I think there are lots of potential 2022 BRZ buyers like me who want a fun car they can daily, track, and put miles on without taking a huge depreciation hit. If I opt for another new 911 or M2 or M3 and put similar miles on them, I could pay for the BRZ just in depreciation costs. Also IMHO, the new high performance german cars have too much power, too much tech, and too many "computers" between the driver and the drive. I think the BRZ is a much needed back to basics sports car with a Power to Weight Ratio (228hp / 2835 lbs) that's just about right. Lastly I really like the updated styling. It has elements from some classic euro front engined designs and looks much more "developed & mature" than the outgoing model. And to address your second point...Of course it'll be a manual. No self respecting sports car buyer would purchase an automatic and is the reason why a C8 isn't on the list of cars to consider. |
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12-27-2020, 10:23 PM | #18 |
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Oh jeez
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I don't mind the torque dip. In fact, I pulled a plug wire so I have to drive that much harder. But I'm a superior driver with years of experience.
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12-28-2020, 08:15 AM | #20 |
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See... triggered. Hahaha
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IT'S so much faster than the previous model...
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The "budget" nature of these cars requires certain mods for many people. Even though Subaru says they've added an oil "cooler" to the car, in reality this is more of a heat exchanger than a true cooler. Some folks even call devices with such a design as "oil warmers". On ND2 Miatas this thing is believed to be more effective at warming up the oil quicker during cold start, than cooling the oil down at the track. Oil cooler kits for ND2 require uninstalling that heat exchanger. In other words, for a track car you'll almost certainly need at least a radiator-style oil cooler, and camber bolts / camber plates. |
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Or are you saying that this car will *require* mods, same as 1st-gen? I don't think either strictly *require* mods but for sure a few minor mods for minimal $$$ will pay off at the track. Quote:
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It will be trackable with no mods, just like the current car, but the front tires are gonna hate it tho :O Last edited by ZDan; 12-29-2020 at 09:06 AM. |
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A water to oil cooler is only an "oil heater" until the oil reaches 197F, after that it becomes an "oil cooler". The coolant never goes over 197F while the oil will easily reach 230F after a hand full of back to back pulls to redline. So although it isn't going to cool as much on track as an air to oil type cooler, it still cools. Subaru is never going to put an air to oil cooler on this car and prolong the warmup phase. As it is my car (with no oil cooler) takes 15mins on the interstate, in the summer in Florida before it reaches 160F. Your average driver will do more harm ragging on the car before it's up to temp than they will once it's over temp.
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