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Old 12-13-2015, 04:02 AM   #6735
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Quick question guys, I'm needing to install an intercooler on my 210, I cheaped out and got a stage 1. Now my IAT's are too high.

I've read stories that the bolts break when trying to separate the supercharger, any truth to that? Am I gonna run into any trouble?
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Old 12-13-2015, 10:30 AM   #6736
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Quick question guys, I'm needing to install an intercooler on my 210, I cheaped out and got a stage 1. Now my IAT's are too high.

I've read stories that the bolts break when trying to separate the supercharger, any truth to that? Am I gonna run into any trouble?
That was an issue with the early ones. If yours is newer, you should be ok. Even if you have an early blower, just be careful and you should be fine. I have one of the first batch and I was able to install the intercooler without breaking any bolts.
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Quick question guys, I'm needing to install an intercooler on my 210, I cheaped out and got a stage 1. Now my IAT's are too high.

I've read stories that the bolts break when trying to separate the supercharger, any truth to that? Am I gonna run into any trouble?
Like @Draco-REX said, if it is an early one then you might have an issue. I have an early one and I think one or two of mine broke but I replaced all of mine with new stainless steel bolts before I installed it anyways. They aren't that pricey so if you wanted to pick some up for peace of mind it wouldn't put you out too much.
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Dumb question inc: Is it just me or has anyone else wondered or knows the answer as to why the sprintex innovate supercharger kit has a much smaller intercooler and intercooler piping than any other supercharger and turbos?
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Dumb question inc: Is it just me or has anyone else wondered or knows the answer as to why the sprintex innovate supercharger kit has a much smaller intercooler and intercooler piping than any other supercharger and turbos?
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SPS 210 kit with 69mm pulley and intercooler.

Will this configuration support straight E85 on stock injectors and pump?

If not, what is required? (Injector/pump size that is)
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Old 12-20-2015, 10:37 AM   #6741
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SPS 210 kit with 69mm pulley and intercooler.

Will this configuration support straight E85 on stock injectors and pump?

If not, what is required? (Injector/pump size that is)
You may want to consider injectors at that point. See if @moto-mike has any insight.
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SPS 210 kit with 69mm pulley and intercooler.

Will this configuration support straight E85 on stock injectors and pump?

If not, what is required? (Injector/pump size that is)
Moto-east recommended to me larger injectors and fuel pump if going flex fuel. I'm guessing it's possible without, but may not getting the full potential as not enough fuel to reach the limit.
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Moto-east recommended to me larger injectors and fuel pump if going flex fuel. I'm guessing it's possible without, but may not getting the full potential as not enough fuel to reach the limit.
It is about where you want the fuel to hit. You can hit the target AF ratios with stock injectors close to 280 whp, but you'll be shooting that fuel in less than ideal places of the compression stroke. Using larger port injectors allows for keeping an optimal DI mixture/DI timings, less oil dilution, and more consistent power.
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It is about where you want the fuel to hit. You can hit the target AF ratios with stock injectors close to 280 whp, but you'll be shooting that fuel in less than ideal places of the compression stroke. Using larger port injectors allows for keeping an optimal DI mixture/DI timings, less oil dilution, and more consistent power.
Good info @moto-mike, exactly what I was after. Making the power is one thing but having to work around limitations isn't worth it. I'll stick to pump (98 RON here, 93 in the US?) for now.

Assuming there was no further hardware progression, what size injectors and pump would you recommend to support optimum tuning on the SPS/69mm pulley kit?
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Good info @moto-mike, exactly what I was after. Making the power is one thing but having to work around limitations isn't worth it. I'll stick to pump (98 RON here, 93 in the US?) for now.

Assuming there was no further hardware progression, what size injectors and pump would you recommend to support optimum tuning on the SPS/69mm pulley kit?
If e85 is in the picture, Moto Mike recommended the following to me:
-DeatschWerks DW65c 9-651-1010 Fuel Pump kit
-DeatschWerks 700cc Fuel Injectors
as seen on his site: http://www.moto-east.com/store/ft86/ft86-fuel.html
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:23 PM   #6746
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Moto-east recommended to me larger injectors and fuel pump if going flex fuel. I'm guessing it's possible without, but may not getting the full potential as not enough fuel to reach the limit.
It's definitely possible without. If I'm not mistaken, both Delicious and Moto-East have gotten cars over 300whp with stock fueling.

That's not to say it's not a good idea, but I haven't seen much evidence that it's a requirement.

edit - just re-read this and realized it was mentioning the SPS blower. Yeah, probably need fuel for that

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That was an issue with the early ones. If yours is newer, you should be ok. Even if you have an early blower, just be careful and you should be fine. I have one of the first batch and I was able to install the intercooler without breaking any bolts.

Just wanted to follow up guys, the install went without a hiccup. No issues with bolts breaking. Only downside i found was the entire intake manifold needed to come out to properly reach the rear upside down bolts.

Here's a video of my blower after about 10k. Very happy.



and here are a few pics.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3Q...p=docslist_api

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3Q...p=docslist_api



hope that worked ^

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Just wanted to follow up guys, the install went without a hiccup. No issues with bolts breaking. Only downside i found was the entire intake manifold needed to come out to properly reach the rear upside down bolts.

Here's a video of my blower after about 10k. Very happy.



and here are a few pics.







hope that worked ^
you can get to the bolts in the rear with some really creative tool usage. I ended up using an allen screwdriver bit and a 1/4" ratcheting box wrench to get to those.
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