Potential Cause of rumored GR86’s blown engine? Seal packing(RTV) was peeled off

[mycrors7]

From what ive seen since this fiasco has started... we still dont have solid evidence that the oil pan rtv is the main cause of engine failure.

We can complain all we want, but Subaru(and Toyota) wont do anything until they have actual failed engines in their hands.. and not just a handful. These motors have to be blowing left and right... similar to the valve spring recall and it's whole situation of motors blowing left and right due to techs over-applying sealant on the timing chain cover.


that being said.. there are tons of brz/gr86 that have A LOT of miles with no issues on em.

someone posted their brz with 50k miles already and claims he hasnt had issues. im currently waiting to see if he ever got his car checked for RTV or not.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mycrors7

From what ive seen since this fiasco has started... we still dont have solid evidence that the oil pan rtv is the main cause of engine failure.

We can complain all we want, but Subaru(and Toyota) wont do anything until they have actual failed engines in their hands.. and not just a handful. These motors have to be blowing left and right... similar to the valve spring recall and it's whole situation of motors blowing left and right due to techs over-applying sealant on the timing chain cover.


that being said.. there are tons of brz/gr86 that have A LOT of miles with no issues on em.

someone posted their brz with 50k miles already and claims he hasnt had issues. im currently waiting to see if he ever got his car checked for RTV or not.

We know of very few that have actually failed.
It has been discussed over and over that the sealant in the pickup alone is not likely to be the issue.
Of the failures that we have details (about 8) all were on a track and at least 3 had records of overrev.
At this point it would appear to be much ado about nothing.

[mycrors7]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

We know of very few that have actually failed.
It has been discussed over and over that the sealant in the pickup alone is not likely to be the issue.
Of the failures that we have details (about 8) all were on a track and at least 3 had records of overrev.
At this point it would appear to be much ado about nothing.

doesnt help that people were dropping their pans and cleaning out the rtv. sure they may have avoided a failed motor(with zero proof that cleaning it will avoid failure), but should this have been a big issue, those potentially failed motors would have helped convince Subaru to do something about this.

edit-

Just confirmed the guy with 50k miles on his BRZ has not opened up his oil pan and doesnt plan to.

he hasnt done any track days, but does drive on backroads often

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

That is EXACTLY what you have said.
Nobody is defensive.
You are suggesting an action that is a total waste of time is all.
They do not care if your engine MAY die they only do if it DOES die and creates a safety issue. If that happens THEN call them. IF you live in the USA!

Dude.

Chill.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Nope. The only way a recall will happen is if engine failures from it become so prevalent that it becomes cheaper to recall 10k+ engines for a repair vs replacing the few engines that actually fail because of it.

Rule number one is we don't talk about fight club.

[Arthur-A]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

We know of very few that have actually failed.
It has been discussed over and over that the sealant in the pickup alone is not likely to be the issue.
Of the failures that we have details (about 8) all were on a track and at least 3 had records of overrev.

All were using 0W20 oil I assume?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Blighty

Dude.

Chill.

Dude.


Make some sense.

[NoHaveMSG]

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Dude.


Make some sense.

Yep.

RTV poses no issue, the government auto safety body forms go to /dev/null, and we should all just understand that the auto manufacturers have our best interests at heart and will sort stuff out without factoring in its reputation or sales of its vehicles.

There, that better? Can I join your club now?

m|np

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Blighty

Yep.

RTV poses no issue, the government auto safety body forms go to /dev/null, and we should all just understand that the auto manufacturers have our best interests at heart and will sort stuff out without factoring in its reputation or sales of its vehicles.

There, that better? Can I join your club now?

m|np

I asked you to make sense, not for yet another misdirection, distortion, or otherwise generally sarcastic remark. It has been clearly and correctly explained to you not just that, but why following your call to action would be wasted effort. Please let it go.

[mycrors7]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

All were using 0W20 oil I assume?

mixed from what i recall. some using 0w20. some using 5w30 as recommended by most track guys for track use

[Arthur-A]

Originally Posted by mycrors7

mixed from what i recall. some using 0w20. some using 5w30 as recommended by most track guys for track use

Could be oil thinning out due to excessive temperature as well.

[KillerBMotorsport]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

Could be oil thinning out due to excessive temperature as well.

From silicone in the pickup? Nah. Higher oil temps would only improve flow through a clog or partial clog, and any decent synthetic (even a 0w-20) is going to have proper lubrication at higher temps. Although, at some point if temps are excessive: 1) you'd see it on the OEM gauge, and 2) the ECU would likely start pulling power to keep things safe. Unlike the oil pressure switch, the oil temp switch does interact with the ECU.

[new2subaru]

They made a booboo with some of the production cars. This almost never happens...2013 anyone? People still drive them today without the recall.

Better than catching fire like some other brands

I'd be concerned if I bought one but I'd either unload it or keep it and beat on it. Either way, life goes on.