Michigan BRZ/FRS Random Chat and spotted thread.

[MI FR-S]

Originally Posted by Sccabrz192

Video from today. 53.370.

Thanks for posting. It's good and informative to see how the car is handling out there. I have no idea how you can tell which side of the cones you need to be at

I'd have to stop and ask directions!

Congrats to Kask & Eikond too. Hope everybody enjoyed it.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by eikond

Does the Detroit region always give you only 4 runs? In Cleveland they did two sessions.. so you got 8 runs. There they didn't have co-drivers for almost every car. sheesh...

Detroit has one of the most inefficiently run events I've been to. Don't count on more than four runs. If you get five - it's a miracle. It's one of the prime reasons I pretty much gave up on autox here. It's just plain annoying seeing time being wasted.

[Sevs753]

I rode along with a couple F-Body Camaros yesterday. The power was nice but holy body roll, batman!

Later today, I will post some pictures I took yesterday. I know I have pictures of @eikond and @kask2_6.0 but I also have pictures of 1 RTR(whiteout FRS), 72 RTR (whiteout FRS) and 86 RTR (asphalt FRS). Do those cars belong to anyone on here?

[Sccabrz192]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Detroit has one of the most inefficiently run events I've been to. Don't count on more than four runs. If you get five - it's a miracle. It's one of the prime reasons I pretty much gave up on autox here. It's just plain annoying seeing time being wasted.

The opener was a big departure from this. We started fairly ON TIME (HOORAAAY) and were done with 141 participants by 3:30. Hopefully it continues through the whole season. Detroit used to be one of the most efficient regions IMO, then fell off drastically. Hopefully now this is a good sign that things are back.

That being said, this is a volunteer organization and a volunteer sport... if more people volunteer, events will go faster

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Sccabrz192

That being said, this is a volunteer organization and a volunteer sport... if more people volunteer, events will go faster

Sure, but to turn things around there needs to be a dozen or more people to take over the organization of events completely. It's not an incremental change, I think. And even then it takes a while for people attending events to adjust. I'll keep an eye on things and probably make it to 1-2 events a season to see if things are improving.

An efficiently-run club would have 6+ runs with ~150 people and be done by 4pm, with fun runs afterwards.

[Sccabrz192]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Sure, but to turn things around there needs to be a dozen or more people to take over the organization of events completely. It's not an incremental change, I think. And even then it takes a while for people attending events to adjust. I'll keep an eye on things and probably make it to 1-2 events a season to see if things are improving.

An efficiently-run club would have 6+ runs with ~150 people and be done by 4pm, with fun runs afterwards.

Assuming first car off at 9am that means your expectation is a minimum of 900 runs in 7 hours... 129 runs/hr

Last year there were 1132 entrants at nationals, divided by 4 (2 sets of run days * 2 courses) is 283 entrants through a course in a day, at nats you only make 3 runs per day... assuming a day at nationals runs from first car @8am and ends at 4pm (which is an underestimation, I know we were running past 4pm last year most days) means the national staff is pushing 849 runs in 8 hours... or a hair over 106 runs per hour.

Unless you are driving a 30-40 second course, I dont think 129 runs/hr is reasonable, especially at a local level.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Sccabrz192

Unless you are driving a 30-40 second course, I dont think 129 runs/hr is reasonable, especially at a local level.

Course length is less important than starting intervals, starting a car every 20-30 seconds is doable (but maybe not on venues Detroit SCCA gets to work with w/o running into safety issues), but every cone worker has to run to the cones 100% of the time, courses have to be designed so that common mistakes in key places don't take out a ton of cones, etc. Quick and seamless work shift changeover is key as well.
I don't wand to argue about some specific numbers. I got into autox when I could go to events that were completed around 4-5pm, usually had 6 runs a day and half the time had a handful of fun runs at the end of the day. That seemed reasonable. 4 runs a days is not for me.

[Sccabrz192]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Course length is less important than starting intervals, starting a car every 20-30 seconds is doable (but maybe not on venues Detroit SCCA gets to work with w/o running into safety issues), but every cone worker has to run to the cones 100% of the time, courses have to be designed so that common mistakes in key places don't take out a ton of cones, etc. Quick and seamless work shift changeover is key as well.
I don't wand to argue about some specific numbers. I got into autox when I could go to events that were completed around 4-5pm, usually had 6 runs a day and half the time had a handful of fun runs at the end of the day. That seemed reasonable. 4 runs a days is not for me.

That's fine, I have no problem agreeing to disagree. I just didn't want people new to the sport to have an unreasonable expectation without atleast hearing a counter-point. We all want more track time I absolutely agree, but I think 100 runs an hour is reasonable,.

And to your point on course design, absolutely agree, there were a few places on yesterday's course where a mistake meant a +3, +4, or +5. Which is unnecessary. I was working the computer 3rd heat, we had 4 or 5 red flags because of it (pro class was running 3rd, so most of the experienced people were running). There was certainly more work than necessary because of that, but in general the course drove very well.

Intervals is also a very valid point, because Silverdome courses are so large (I've tracked them to well over a mile in the past, I think yesterdays was around there too) with <150 entrants, there is just so much ground to cover it is unreasonable to shorten the intervals and still have workers have enough time to cover their whole areas.

We only ran 3 heats due in large part to this... which also means longer change over between heats because you dont have that extra mid-day off-heat. People were getting done running heat 2 then immediately going out to work 3.

All in all, the course ran in the 47's for the raw FTD and in the mid 60's for a lot of the novices... so it was still between 3 and a little over 4 minutes of on course seat time.

I'll never suggest autocross is a great value for seat time, but it is fun, cheap, very accessable, and in general the people are a lot of fun to hang out with. I'm sorry you have a sour taste from the region, but I do atleast partly understand.

[Sevs753]

Picturesfrom yesterdays autox! (Not mine.)

[MI FR-S]

With the hot weather the last two days, I've had the AC running and have seen some crazy idles (I do get occasional idle issues but this has been more consistent and shown some different speeds) . I don't suppose anybody else had issues?

I've had stable idles ranging from 500rpm to 950rpm
I've had bouncing idle that will jump from 650 rpm to 700rpm (normal I think) all the way to idle that will jump between 400rpm to 1100rpm.
When it would drop to 400rpm it almost stalls and sounds rather like a 2 stroke lawnmower engine. First time it did it, I was looking around for a moped until I realized that it was me making the noise!

[eikond]

I had the A/C on for a while the other day and didn't have any issues.. other than a little drop in power you get from any A/C system.


Anyone going to the Fast and Furious opener tonight in Sterling Heights. Seems like you can still get tickets. I'm just waiting for my boss to say it's ok

*I'm in! bought my ticket online.. I'll probably get out there around 1030 or so. Hopefully some other FT86 folks can make it.

[Accurate Race Shop]

I had idle problems when I first got the car and, another guy's car was stalling we both went to the dealership they flashed the ecu and it never came back

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[hobojoker]

Originally Posted by MI FR-S

With the hot weather the last two days, I've had the AC running and have seen some crazy idles (I do get occasional idle issues but this has been more consistent and shown some different speeds) . I don't suppose anybody else had issues?

I've had stable idles ranging from 500rpm to 950rpm
I've had bouncing idle that will jump from 650 rpm to 700rpm (normal I think) all the way to idle that will jump between 400rpm to 1100rpm.
When it would drop to 400rpm it almost stalls and sounds rather like a 2 stroke lawnmower engine. First time it did it, I was looking around for a moped until I realized that it was me making the noise!

How old is your car?
Mileage?

[MI FR-S]

Originally Posted by hobojoker

How old is your car?
Mileage?

7 Months
7000 miles approximately.