2019 Fiesta ST or 2019 Subaru BRZ

[JeremyR]

I am not familiar with the automobile regulations in your country, but could you buy a Manual BRZ from a county close by and bring it to Turkey?

[iag48st]

I’ve owned one AT frs, and my last two were manual. The AT is very good and if you swap the final gear to 4.88 you will be just as quick as the manual from a roll. It’s a very good AT transmission.
I’ve also had two gti (both were traded in for 86) that were much faster than the twins however they quickly became boring, especially when you start tracking the car. You will miss that low,rwd handling.
I’ll take the 86 with AT and 4.88 gears over any hot hatch. Fwd will eventually bore you once the turbo effect wears off. Trust me.

[korhun]

Originally Posted by JeremyR

I am not familiar with the automobile regulations in your country, but could you buy a Manual BRZ from a county close by and bring it to Turkey?

I'm not familiar with our regulations either However I know that there is a stupid tax thing. A car that is >2L engine should pay 160% tax. Yes, you have to pay $26,000 for a car worth $10,000. So buying a BRZ is like buying a Porsche in a normal country.. I'm not that rich. My son has an health issue that the government let us to buy a car without the tax. My wife has a Renault Megane for the kids, and its OK for us. And I use a Clio to go to work. Its a bit selfish I know, but she let me to buy a good car.. she knows how I love the good cars, and how I hate the Clio. Anyway, importing a manual BRZ, is not something that I could be able to do, I think.. It's a different taxing process.

[korhun]

Originally Posted by iag48st

I’ve owned one AT frs, and my last two were manual. The AT is very good and if you swap the final gear to 4.88 you will be just as quick as the manual from a roll. It’s a very good AT transmission.
I’ve also had two gti (both were traded in for 86) that were much faster than the twins however they quickly became boring, especially when you start tracking the car. You will miss that low,rwd handling.
I’ll take the 86 with AT and 4.88 gears over any hot hatch. Fwd will eventually bore you once the turbo effect wears off. Trust me.

A question comes to my mind. If changing the final gear makes the car better then why the engineers of the twins did not do that? Don't they know what they are doing? Or is there another thing that prevent them using a larger final gear? (this is not a sarcasm, I really ask)

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by korhun

A question comes to my mind. If changing the final gear makes the car better then why the engineers of the twins did not do that? Don't they know what they are doing? Or is there another thing that prevent them using a larger final gear? (this is not a sarcasm, I really ask)

Fuel economy, people who buy the automatic are typically not as worried about performance.

By the way, the BRZ is <2L so why does the tax apply? It is 1,996 cm^3 displacement that gets rounded to 2L for marketing.



Sounds like this is a rare opportunity to buy a fun car, do it, you may have to sell it in a year or two as your son grows up and the experience becomes less fun, there will be another Fiesta ST waiting.

[korhun]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Fuel economy, people who buy the automatic are typically not as worried about performance.

By the way, the BRZ is <2L so why does the tax apply? It is 1,996 cm^3 displacement that gets rounded to 2L for marketing.

Sounds like this is a rare opportunity to buy a fun car, do it, you may have to sell it in a year or two as your son grows up and the experience becomes less fun, there will be another Fiesta ST waiting.

Yes you are right. For the BRZ it is not 160%, it is 110%. For the cars below 1.6L it is 30% but Fiesta ST is 60%. There is also a if price gets higher, tax also gets higher thing A Honda Civic HB 182hp costs ~140,000TL, BRZ costs ~300,000TL And you can think one TL is like 1 dollar, or maybe worse, I'm not sure on that. A good software engineer earns around 8,000-10,000TL a month here. And BRZ is a 300K car here.. It's a joke..

If I can use that tax opportunity, I'm not allowed to sell the car for 5 years, or I would pay the tax, which is more than it costs. That's why I have to make a right decision.

[ScoobsMcGee]

Originally Posted by korhun

I just want a car that goes like a go-kart..

Given that criteria, definitely the BRZ over the FiST. The Fiesta was a lot of fun to drive, but it is sloppy in comparison.

ETA: 300,000TL is roughly $51,500 USD.

[korhun]

Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

Given that criteria, definitely the BRZ over the FiST. The Fiesta was a lot of fun to drive, but it is sloppy in comparison.

You've made my hearth beat faster

BRZ:
+ Goes like a go-kart. Great center of gravity. And its blue..
+ Better steering-wheel feel. Better responses.
+ Better fuel economy.
+ Blue
+ Is lovely
+ It teaches how to drive.
+ Loud inside, blue outside..
+ Here people say Subaru services are better.
- It is automatic.
- It is way slower.
- Bad cargo space, back seats cannot be used as seats.
- People will look at me, think I'm rich, which I'm not, and don't want that.
- I would constantly think if a near parked car has scratched my BRZ or not.

FiST:
+ Anyone who has a logic would buy that.
+ My parents and most of my friends would think it's a normal car. Everybody is happy. No questioning my actions.
+ It's turbo, but has a better throttle response??
+ Better sound.
+ Heel and toe.

[Aluma007]

Originally Posted by iag48st

I’ve owned one AT frs, and my last two were manual. The AT is very good and if you swap the final gear to 4.88 you will be just as quick as the manual from a roll. It’s a very good AT transmission.
I’ve also had two gti (both were traded in for 86) that were much faster than the twins however they quickly became boring, especially when you start tracking the car. You will miss that low,rwd handling.
I’ll take the 86 with AT and 4.88 gears over any hot hatch. Fwd will eventually bore you once the turbo effect wears off. Trust me.

I agree! I've been itching to go get a new car and have test driven many fwd and rwd muscle cars...but nothing has even come close to my brz in terms of overall enjoyment and price. And you really dont have to change the gear ratio, it'd be nice, but the little bit of lag helps with traction on the autocross course sometimes. :P You'd be surprised how easy it is to get the rear end loose on this thing with stock tires...

[korhun]

Originally Posted by Aluma007

... but the little bit of lag helps with traction on the autocross course sometimes ...

Why FiST throttle response is better, its a turbo. Why there is a bit of lag in twins' motors?

The main reason I hate Clio diesel is the throttle lag. It is awful. I press the throttle before a corner starts, and hope it would give some power when I'm on the apex. BRZ isn't that bad. Isn't it?

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by korhun

Why FiST throttle response is better, its a turbo. Why there is a bit of lag in twins' motors?

The main reason I hate Clio diesel is the throttle lag. It is awful. I press the throttle before a corner starts, and hope it would give some power when I'm on the apex. BRZ isn't that bad. Isn't it?

The throttle response is really good in a BRZ.

Some people don't care for the power delivery between 3000-4200 RPM. It's affectionately called the "torque dip" For day to day driving it's not an issue IMO. For anything other than that just keep the revs above 4500RPM and it won't be an issue.


I would always pick a RWD car over a FWD car. Ironically, I drive a FWD car everyday. I save the FR-S for fun.

[Sgaldi]

I don’t know why everyone says the BRZ is so slow, yea it’s not as fast as it looks or should be, but iv smoked a lot of cars in my BRZ...including fiestas so yea

[Clutch Dog]

Originally Posted by Sgaldi

I don’t know why everyone says the BRZ is so slow, yea it’s not as fast as it looks or should be, but iv smoked a lot of cars in my BRZ...including fiestas so yea

0-60 in 6 plus seconds and thats at an ideal set up, dry pavement and clutch drop.

thats why guys say it's "slow" its also "slow" for having that mid range torque drip thats common with most NA tuned Boxer engines. so it doesnt feel like its got any oomph when you put your foot down

that's why

now a days your aunt's camry can put down 0-60 at 5.3 seconds.

[Sgaldi]

Originally Posted by Clutch Dog

0-60 in 6 plus seconds and thats at an ideal set up, dry pavement and clutch drop.

thats why guys say it's "slow" its also "slow" for having that mid range torque drip thats common with most NA tuned Boxer engines. so it doesnt feel like its got any oomph when you put your foot down

that's why

now a days your aunt's camry can put down 0-60 at 5.3 seconds.

Except....the BRZ will beat a Camry...I mean atleast with me driving, I can’t speak for you ...especially since the Camry is 0-60 in 7+ seconds