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11-25-2020, 12:57 PM | #15 | |
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I just find it a little funny that they wanna keep costs down but they give this car its own exclusive motor and not a parts bin piece. |
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These engines were developed just for these cars to get them lower than any of the other Subaru standard engines. The biggest differences are a smaller oil pan and lower intake manifold, the bump up in compression ratio and of course the addition of port injection. The costs would not be significant since they used the basic design for the FA20 and FA20F (less the changes in the FA20D) in all sorts of vehicles so the development costs are more than covered. There are all sorts of bespoke parts in the Quintuplets that could be replaced with parts bin but then you end up with a glorified Impreza. They recouped a pile of their development costs by using newly designed parts from the first gen in other cars so they aren't losing money in the long run.
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There are billet block four cylinders running 4,000hp. Anything can be done with enough money and the right fuel. What has been done with a low displacement 3-cylinder shouldn’t necessarily influence anyone’s opinion about a three cylinder having a high power potential. I’d rather have more displacement and more cylinders with more potential for power up to a point.
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In their defense, they made that statement before the Gemera was ever announced, and in every metric that matters to the 99.9% of us, the Gemera isn’t a production car.
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https://www.motor1.com/news/402027/k...seat-unveiled/ I am aware these cars are limited production, but would that still not be considered a production car? |
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But the requirement for "production car" is just a stupidly low number. |
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I wonder what sort of number the increase is on having a turbo twin. If that’s the limiting factor in how they will sell and what sort of sale price they could expect with a turbo car?
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Subaru sells a sedan called the WRX for a similar price as the BRZ. It has a turbo, AWD and four doors. It doesn’t have D4S or a LSD. Seems to me that cost is not the problem. Toyota has a turbocharged sporty car. They want a light weight, high revving, good handling, NA, sporty car. The lack of a turbo is intentional. It is a free world. There are aftermarket solutions for FI.
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I feel like it was addressed in the unveiling video that having a turbo would make the car too expensive.
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Why? The competitors to the 86 are cars that are similarly priced with turbocharged engines like the Honda Civic Si, the Miata counterpart the Fiat 128 spider, WRX, hot hatches like the Golf GTI, etc. They could mean the development costs for a unique turbocharger system for the platform would make the price too high. Who knows?
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I know many get insulted by the term but what Toyota was targeting with this car was the entry level buyer and the people looking for a nice sports coupe to drive around every day and have fun with once in a while. They asked what the public wanted way back in 2007 and were told that what was really missing was an inexpensive, light weight, NA, great handling car. That is exactly what they designed, built and sold and what they still plan to continue with. Never once in the history of the car did they promise anybody anything but that.People need to understand that this car was never going to be a Fast and Furious line up contender. The very thought that all they have to do to make the car the Mustang beater so many scream for is to throw a turbo on it and sell it for $1,000 more. That is not as simple as it sounds. By the time they made all the other changes needed to support that turbo it is a whole different car and now enters the already crowed segment of the more costly existing makes. They have upgraded the car to what I hope proves to be the right amount of power to meet the increased expectations (in 20012 a 200HP NA 2 liter was actually a marvel) but to stay within their original vison and goals. This does not impress the crowd that wants a sub $30K car with the power and performance of a $60+K one and oh well since they were not the target demographic to start with.
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