CSG and RCE tag-team suspension Q&A thread! Ask us anything!

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Scracho

Hi guys!

I'm on my 4th 86 (Yes 4th) and have played with various suspension setups. I'm in the market for a $1500 street occasional track coilover and all roads have led me to a couple options.

IMO the largest improvement in ride/handling/lap times happen when you go from stock to DECENT coilover setup then from there unless you go to a full on pro setup the lap times aren't improving relative to cost from your decent "entry level" to medium tier coils. Thus the savings can be used for so many other items that will yield a faster, flatter and more enjoyable ride.

So that being said... CSG Tein Flex A OR RCE SS1????

Used v3s/rce t2s/ohlins, at some of these prices you can get a full refresh within budget.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139867
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135058
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139615

[oldlostcory]

I'm not sure if this is something with my setup or just the car itself. My car is running RCE Yellow springs and 17x9 245's, rear spc lca's. My alignment is at -1 up front and -2 in the back. I'm not happy with my initial turn in feel when autox or spirited drives. It almost feels slightly delayed. Is this due to my wider tires? Electric steering?

The only other car I've ever driven aggressively was my old integra back in the day. It was immediate when I turned the wheel aggressively.

[churchx]

Imho front camber is insufficient, but turn-in .. what are your front toe settings?

[oldlostcory]

Originally Posted by churchx

Imho front camber is insufficient, but turn-in .. what are your front toe settings?

I think my front toe is close to 0? I'm guessing I'd need camber plates to get more camber up front? I'm just using camber bolts right now and they are maxed.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by RToyo86

@ Racecomp Engineering

Any ideas on when RCE yellows will be available to order?
Looking to order through FT86Motorsports. They're special order which I assume will go directly through you.

I think we PMed...but end of May for more Yellows.

- Andrew

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by oldlostcory

I'm not sure if this is something with my setup or just the car itself. My car is running RCE Yellow springs and 17x9 245's, rear spc lca's. My alignment is at -1 up front and -2 in the back. I'm not happy with my initial turn in feel when autox or spirited drives. It almost feels slightly delayed. Is this due to my wider tires? Electric steering?

The only other car I've ever driven aggressively was my old integra back in the day. It was immediate when I turned the wheel aggressively.

Originally Posted by oldlostcory

I think my front toe is close to 0? I'm guessing I'd need camber plates to get more camber up front? I'm just using camber bolts right now and they are maxed.

Yeah more front camber would help.

What kind of camber bolts are you using?

Something like the Perrin steering rack lockdown does improve "feel" but you might be looking for more. Still nice.

-2 is real good for a street car.

- Andrew

[oldlostcory]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Yeah more front camber would help.

What kind of camber bolts are you using?

Something like the Perrin steering rack lockdown does improve "feel" but you might be looking for more. Still nice.

-2 is real good for a street car.

- Andrew

I'm using Whiteline bolts. I could get -1.5 out of the drivers side but only -1.0 from the passenger so I had both set at -1.0. I had a local shop set all this up.

[Racecomp Engineering]

One option is the Pedders offset strut top mounts that add a little caster and camber. I have not used them myself yet, but I plan to try them.

- Andrew

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by oldlostcory

I think my front toe is close to 0? I'm guessing I'd need camber plates to get more camber up front? I'm just using camber bolts right now and they are maxed.

Try a bit of toe out, and definitely more negative camber in the front, something around -2.5º.

Depending on your budget, you might consider using two adjustable bolts per strut, adjustable top hats, coilovers, or offset strut mounts. At least in theory those offset mounts seem like a good idea, especially for a daily driven car, and together with camber bolts you should be able to get a good range of adjustability. I have to admit I haven't met anyone having non-adjustable strut mounts though.

[Decep]

Originally Posted by oldlostcory

I think my front toe is close to 0? I'm guessing I'd need camber plates to get more camber up front? I'm just using camber bolts right now and they are maxed.

And the obvious, check tire pressures. You did add a lot of weight to the suspension so it'd be normal the response would be dulled but it should still feel better than most cars.

I would post your alignment numbers in the thread

[oldlostcory]

Thanks for the replies. I'm going to do some more research into the options you've given me. I think i'm gonna shoot to get my front camper to at least -2.0. Might pick up the Perrin Steering Rack Lockdown as well because why not? Not that expensive and easy to install.

[churchx]

oldlostcory: More camber as in for more front grip in turns (and less understeer bias) .. that will net less for initial turn in imho though. That perrin lockdown, why not, didn't notice much NVH illeffects, indeed cheap & simple enough to install .. then again, it didn't change much steering feel either. Toe (but wouldn't want toe out for street driven car, as while may make quicker turn-in, will also make less stable/more nervous steering)/what type of tires (eg. sidewall stiffness, slip angles)/pressures imho will affect turn-in more.
One thing is what tire sizing .. but what model of tires you are using?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by oldlostcory

initial turn in feel

If your biggest complaint is turn in feel, rather than corner entry understeer, you'd probably be better off ditching the 9" steam rollers up front and get some sticky 215's instead.

Unless lap times are important to you, I don't see the need to over-tire the car for spirited drives and auto-x.

[strat61caster]

Sounds like you want more front roll stiffness (which was probably relatively high in the old Honda) and aside from maybe front toe change you'll get what you want out of a stiffer front swaybar. Camber and steering rack bushings won't help the car take a set any quicker imho. RCE Yellows are too soft for competitive autox tires.

Dampers would be next on my hit list to tackle a lazy front end after toe and swaybar (assuming you plan on sticking with the RCE Yellows). Although still do the camber, your tires will thank you.