All-New 2022 Subaru BRZ Makes Global Debut

[Tcoat]

Everybody gets onto the torque vs power bandwagon and often ignore all the other factors involved in acceleration. Weight, gearing, final drive, wheel size and aero all come into play. Change any one of those enough and you can change the whole feel of a car without even touching power or torque. To say simply that power or torque alone is more important ignores the big picture. They are all part of the formula

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by black bnr32

So...what do we know about this new rear suspension?

It is supposedly a double wishbone but they called the current that as well and it is actually a wishbone and a double link.
Other than that not much.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It is supposedly a double wishbone but they called the current that as well and it is actually a wishbone and a double link.

Wow, didn't know that. Googling for the 2013 BRZ press release gives this:

Suspension - Rear: Double wishbone, coil springs, stabilizer bar

Comparing the specs tables in the press releases side by side, they look nearly identical (minus the obvious changes).

[brillo]

Originally Posted by Red-86

I’m referring to manual.

PDrive here have tested numerous manual twins downunder for 0-100kmh and always get mid-high 7s. And they don’t exactly exactly launch them with mechanical sympathy.

Examples:

2015 86:

7.4s

2017 86:

7.79s

2019 BRZ:

7.77s

Maybe Australia gets the Friday afternoon builds.

Isn’t this an issue of needing to shift to 3rd to hit 100kph? Another shift will cost you one sec for sure. I think the twins can just barely hit 60mph in two shifts right?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Wow, didn't know that. Googling for the 2013 BRZ press release gives this:



Comparing the specs tables in the press releases side by side, they look nearly identical (minus the obvious changes).

About half way down


https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/...alkaround.html

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by brillo

I think the twins can just barely hit 60mph in two shifts right?

the specs I've seen show the MT requires a shift to 3rd in 0-60, the AT can do it in 2nd, at least with the 2013. Not sure if that changed later as they tweaked things.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

the specs I've seen show the MT requires a shift to 3rd in 0-60, the AT can do it in 2nd, at least with the 2013. Not sure if that changed later as they tweaked things.

Never tried but I feel I could have pulled it off in the FRS. The 86 with the changed final drive not a hope in hell.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Never tried but I feel I could have pulled it off in the FRS. The 86 with the changed final drive not a hope in hell.

FR-S was 58mph at redline in 2nd per my calculations. 86 would have been closer to 52mph at the top of 2nd. While it hurts the 0-60 numbers, I miss the short gears on the twins. My current car will do ~70 in 2nd and the steps are just too big with 1:1 being 4th and a 3.7 final drive. Gearing is so important for making a car engaging to drive.


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[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by gymratter

anyone recall the time differences of when the 1st gen debut?

About the same time at Tokyo.

https://global.toyota/en/detail/1739...659.1605923917

https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...ils-subaru-brz

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Red-86

I’m referring to manual.

PDrive here have tested numerous manual twins downunder for 0-100kmh and always get mid-high 7s. And they don’t exactly exactly launch them with mechanical sympathy.

Examples:

2015 86:

7.4s

2017 86:

7.79s

2019 BRZ:

7.77s

Maybe Australia gets the Friday afternoon builds.

Those are way slow. Fuel quality?

[Lantanafrs2]

112kw is low too

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Never tried but I feel I could have pulled it off in the FRS. The 86 with the changed final drive not a hope in hell.

I've done it on a taxiway with the AT (advantage of a small airport with zero traffic most the time I'm there). It definitely hits 60 right before the redline in 2nd, but only just before redline. Didn't time it though.

[brillo]

Looking back at the videos and ride along videos I’m thinking the engine might be a bit under rated given the power i’m seeing put down with two in the car. At least it appears the car isn’t over rated. Possible the torque is closer to 200tq at the crank? In any event a flater tq curve and more torque should make for a faster car and better magazine numbers.

[anticubus]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Never tried but I feel I could have pulled it off in the FRS. The 86 with the changed final drive not a hope in hell.

It can hit 60 in second if you have a 25" tall tire and smack the redline hard. The stock all seasons mine came with were only 24.5" tall and topped out at ~57MPH even though the dash will indicate 60MPH.

That's all technical though, the experience and joy of doing it isn't worth the effort more than a couple times.