Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by dem00n

I don't think so.

A 1998 Supra Turbo's MSRP was around $40,000, which is about $57,000 in today's money.

Toyota knows who they are, they can't sell a car that isn't a buster at 70k+, it wouldn't look right.

Still think it be high 50's-60's.

They put a shit load of R&D in the MK4 as well...it wasn't some recycled chassis and suspension.

But the Mk1 and 2 were stretched Celicas with bigger motors. More Fairlady than GTR. I'm not old enough to remember how they were priced, though.

But Mk3 and 4 targeted the Vettes and GTRs of their time.

So which philosophy will they go with? The 86 project was a 'back to their roots', so it's possible they do that with the Supra. Stretched 86 chassis with 6 cylinder, Z competitor?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

This was already posted 3 days ago in the official FT-1 thread.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53322



Ugh how about $60k which two Toyota officials have hinted at.



This is why I wish people would stop making threads on this car.

It has been discussed before. It appears FT-1 will underpin the Lexus RC and not be a bigger FR-S. Go see official thread for numbers.

Also it seems the next Z will be moving down class. It has been confirmed to be smaller than the current model. It will also have a 4 banger.

Which official thread? There are like 73.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by dem00n

I don't think so.

A 1998 Supra Turbo's MSRP was around $40,000, which is about $57,000 in today's money.

Toyota knows who they are, they can't sell a car that isn't a buster at 70k+, it wouldn't look right.

Still think it be high 50's-60's.

They put a shit load of R&D in the MK4 as well...it wasn't some recycled chassis and suspension.

I agreed with you on the pricing. $60k seems reasonable.

MK4 Supra actually shared platforms with the Lexus SC. The Supra's plaform was just about 3 inches shorter than the SC.

[Sypher]

Originally Posted by Dimman

But the Mk1 and 2 were stretched Celicas with bigger motors. More Fairlady than GTR. I'm not old enough to remember how they were priced, though.

But Mk3 and 4 targeted the Vettes and GTRs of their time.

So which philosophy will they go with? The 86 project was a 'back to their roots', so it's possible they do that with the Supra. Stretched 86 chassis with 6 cylinder, Z competitor?

I think if it were a Z competitor Toyota would be stepping back a little too far. the MK4 was in direct competition with the GTR and i would guess is the new Supra will be competing with the GTR again.

I bet Toyota will utilize some tech from the LFA to keep cost down and land the Supra in the 70-80k range. that would put it pretty much between the Corvette and GTR/Viper in pricing. of course we are all just guessing at this point though.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Sypher

I think if it were a Z competitor Toyota would be stepping back a little too far. the MK4 was in direct competition with the GTR and i would guess is the new Supra will be competing with the GTR again.

I bet Toyota will utilize some tech from the LFA to keep cost down and land the Supra in the 70-80k range. that would put it pretty much between the Corvette and GTR/Viper in pricing. of course we are all just guessing at this point though.

Z competition makes better sense from a stepping-stone financial point. Mid 20's to mid 60's is a big price step.

So what do upwardly mobile 86 owners do for an upgrade? Go to Nissan and the 370Z?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

The next Z will be more of a FR-S and BRZ competitor.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18691

That doesn't stop there from being a massive 40k gap from the 86 to a new Supra.

Who knows, maybe the next generation Genesis coupe may improve to the point where it's considered a move up from the 86, but not yet a Supra competitor.

It's about, how do you go from the 86 to the Supra?

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Dimman

That doesn't stop there from being a massive 40k gap from the 86 to a new Supra.

Who knows, maybe the next generation Genesis coupe may improve to the point where it's considered a move up from the 86, but not yet a Supra competitor.

It's about, how do you go from the 86 to the Supra?

As someone said in the other thread. That price range is full of V8 American muscle cars. Not to mention that the Z has fail at that price point. At $50-$60k the only real competition would be the C7.

With a sub 86 car in the works the next gen 86/FR-S could move up class abit.

Sub 86 car $20k or less
FR-S could end up being a $30k car
FT-1 could have a base model at $50k and than have a higher trim at $60k.

$25k-$30k isn't that big of a price gap to a $50k-$60k FT-1. I mean Nissan has even a bigger price gap between the 370z and GT-R.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Dimman

That doesn't stop there from being a massive 40k gap from the 86 to a new Supra.

Who knows, maybe the next generation Genesis coupe may improve to the point where it's considered a move up from the 86, but not yet a Supra competitor.

It's about, how do you go from the 86 to the Supra?

maybe the FRS will move up class?

if toyota were to fill every price range they would need alot more than 3 sports car to do so. I think 50k is a reasonable starting price for a new supra. Besides that is what toyota has already hinted at so that is what I will go on.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

As someone said in the other thread. That price range is full of V8 American muscle cars. Not to mention that the Z has fail at that price point. At $50-$60k the only real competition would be the C7.

With a sub 86 car in the works the next gen 86/FR-S could move up class abit.

Sub 86 car $20k or less
FR-S could end up being a $30k car
FT-1 could have a base model at $50k and than have a higher trim at $60k.

$25k-$30k isn't that big of a price gap to a $50k-$60k FT-1. I mean Nissan has even a bigger price gap between the 370z and GT-R.

30 to 50 is more reasonable. But they will need to make some changes to justify 30s for the 86.

Way, way back, they did Corolla (pre-AE86 SR5), Celica, then Celica-Supra.

With the 86 filling the Celica middle position, the Supra on its way and maybe the entry level coming it makes sense. But in this case I can't see the Supra being in the same performance class as the Mk 3 and 4 of their era given the performance of current GTR and Vette. Although they now have performance precedence in Lexus with the LFA and ISF.

What Toyota has also shown us is that they are trying to shake up brand perceptions, to I wouldn't be surprised if they reserved the highest performance model for Lexus.

Also consider that their last GT500 entry was a Lexus SC.

We will see, I guess.

[Whitigir]

I refuse to believe a car with Twin turbo V6 is only 200-300 lbs heavier than the 4 cylinders Frs.

Also 2+2 to be lighter than C7 by 400-500lbs...

And performance is to be 25% better for the same price of 60k or so....

Nah...noh....nohway

[Reaper]

Ill just leave this here.

Redesigned scion tc (16,000$) , frs (30,000$) supra ft1 (60,000$)

Looks like Ae86, celica, celica-supra of old.

[ZionsWrath]

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No way they could compete with today's technology for just $57K?. This sucker is going to need a very, very fast double clutch transmission, launch control and the whole bit.

Too bad the real car won't look nothing like the show car, the US Car Safety peeps won't, sadly, allow it.

They keeping this one a straight six too like the others?

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

I refuse to believe a car with Twin turbo V6 is only 200-300 lbs heavier than the 4 cylinders Frs.

Also 2+2 to be lighter than C7 by 400-500lbs...

And performance is to be 25% better for the same price of 60k or so....

Nah...noh....nohway

Where did you see it was going to be 2+2? Everything I've seen looked like it was a two seater only.