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This chart has the opposite scaling problem of the first one, so the y-axis is very short. 0 torque is more than halfway up the chart, most of the Y-axis shows negative torque numbers. Weird way to do it but does make for a better looking chart.
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That dip is weird. Starts around 3500, hits its nadir at about 4300, gone by about 4500. It’s higher in the rev range than I’d hoped for; you're probably going to get dropped into it after every shift (and certainly every shift before redline).
They even circle it at about 6:45. It stood out to them too. Body of knowledge continues: car makes low 190s whp give or take, axle back exhausts add a rounding error’s worth of HP. I’m hoping a light application of FI can erase the dip and get me to ~270whp since that’s about what the 2014 Cayman S had that was the best matched engine/chassis I’ve ever personally driven. If this can make the same power at basically the same weight in the nicest chassis south of that Porsche, I think I’ll be happy. |
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So yeah, I wouldn't imagine 20 more wouldn't be a big deal. |
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I am waiting to see a dyno chart with headers and a tune on an otherwise stock car. That is all I am planning to do to the powertrain for a long time.
When/If Edelbrock gets a reliable kit together again for this gen I would find it hard to resist. But that takes a long time, years maybe.
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I think at this point after having read reviews and whatnot, the torque curve is not a concern. I think to put it this way: journalists who were specifically looking for a torque dip to criticize did not or minimally complained about it. So I honestly am okay with it being there as long as how I think it feels correlates with what I've been hearing. |
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There you go, now everyone can calm down about the way the torque curve looks and how it compares. There's still about a 20 ft-lb drop there from around 19.5 to 22 Kgm but it just looks much nicer on a dyno like this and on a graph that is not so stretched. This gen is making more power and torque everywhere, you won't be feeling that dip.
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Here's a screenshot where you can actually see the rpms.
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My concern is that most of those peeps have demonstrated that their butt dynos aren’t nearly as well calibrated as their regurgitate-lines-fed-directly-to-them-from-the-marketing-department-that-flew-them-out-there dynos. Seeing the same verbatim quips show up again and again across dozens of reviews has me convinced those dynos are WELL tuned. Given the mounting evidence, I do think we can retire the “torque dip is nearly gone” line as bunk. That said, man I hope you’re right. Or at least that FI will fill the hole like it seemed to on the FA20. |
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EDIT: Second graph down is a little more realistic in terms of expectations for just a header without a tune. https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=938787 |
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Let’s see how it feels when we can test drive (november?) and try to compare side by side vs gen1 (a colleague here kept his gen1 unmodified, which will be a good baseline) |
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