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Old 09-22-2022, 03:18 PM   #57
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I should have known better than to question the classification of cars in 2022 using a standard from 30 years ago! The classes have been so watered down and crossed over that you can tack pretty much anything onto a model now and make it stick.

Using the OLD standard the Supra would be closer to being a sports car with it's two seats but be pushing GT status because of the features and amenities.
The 86/BRZ would not qualify as a sports car because of it's 4 seats and would totally qualify as a GT with it's features and amenities. Even the "bare bones" FRS has far more than an old school true sports car ever would. They would only sell a handful of them if they didn't!
Sure the Supra's are "better" but the FRS/86/BRZ's are not exactly spartan even in comparison.
Anybody that drove a real sports car from up to about 1990 understands.

Go drive one of these and then try to tell me that the basest of base FRS is not well equipped.





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Old 09-22-2022, 03:24 PM   #58
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NASCAR is just a production car image/decal painted onto a universal NASCAR bodyshell and chassis. I think the only real differentiation is the engines used are specifically made by each manufacturer.
Ford, Toyota and GM all build engines but they are to NASCAR specs and have a lot of standardized parts. The bodyshell does have some variation in it from car to car as (at least in the new 2022 bodies) the OEMs are allowed to match them closer to the the actual street car, if a little stretched.

But basically NASCAR is almost fully in a full "kit car" business where although there is some visual differences, the underpinnings are the same and everyone buys the parts from the supplier rather than developing in-house.
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By todayís standards, the 86 and Supra and Miata are all sports cars. Regardless of the level of luxury or premium features, they are all aggressive roadsters/coupes with shorter wheelbases, focused on handling and good power-to-weight.

I think the idea has been muddled from what it was, but some of that is because the cars need to be bigger to have more power and to have the crash safety features and comfort people expect from modern cars. The idea of owning a two seater where people sit low and harsh and shoulder to shoulder with no practicality isnít really the type of car people can afford or want, so the definition has broadened. With that said, the phrase is overly applied to pony cars and sport sedans or even muscle cars.

I think the 86 would be a GT car at one point in history, but it is more of a sports coupe today. I think of a modern GT car as an Aston Martin DB with a buttery smooth 6.0L V12, super compliant ride with plenty of comfort and amenities, with a long wheelbase and soft steering feel to be less engaging or twitchy and to be comfortable touring the countryside or blasting down the Autobahn with little road or wind noise.
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By todayís standards, the 86 and Supra and Miata are all sports cars. Regardless of the level of luxury or premium features, they are all aggressive roadsters/coupes with shorter wheelbases, focused on handling and good power-to-weight.

I think the idea has been muddled from what it was, but some of that is because the cars need to be bigger to have more power and to have the crash safety features and comfort people expect from modern cars. The idea of owning a two seater where people sit low and harsh and shoulder to shoulder with no practicality isnít really the type of car people can afford or want, so the definition has broadened. With that said, the phrase is overly applied to pony cars and sport sedans or even muscle cars.

I think the 86 would be a GT car at one point in history, but it is more of a sports coupe today. I think of a modern GT car as an Aston Martin DB with a buttery smooth 6.0L V12, super compliant ride with plenty of comfort and amenities, with a long wheelbase and soft steering feel to be less engaging or twitchy and to be comfortable touring the countryside or blasting down the Autobahn with little road or wind noise.
Agree on all points
Maybe I was not clear in saying (about 20 times) that I was looking at the terms in a past reference.
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Grew up with 911 being the sports car to have, and it is a 2+2
What Tcoat is calling as sports car, I always heard as roadster (or english sportscar )
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another 'real car' convo?

reruns are ok every once in a while...
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Goes to Wikipedia. Wikipedia confirms what I already thought.
Square, rectangle. Rectangle, square.
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LOL so it is both? That really messes things up!
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LOL so it is both? That really messes things up!
It's neither, it's non-binary. How dare you identify it as a specific category of car.
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It's neither, it's non-binary. How dare you identify it as a specific category of car.
You have a point (I think I even said it is 2022 someplace)

According to the internet a whole pile of cars that are distinctly NOT sports cars by anybody here's definition now identify as such!


https://www.carmax.com/articles/best-sports-cars
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By today’s standard if it’s 2 doors and rwd with performance in mind, it’s a sports car

Those same people consider the ae86 a sports car. It’s not a sports car. The ae86 is a less practical 2dr family car from the mid 80s. It’s a corolla. Corollas, despite their little motorsport history, were not sports cars. Having owned one, alongside owning a te72, the ae86’s father….. both cars are identical in chassis and design… in fact every damn corolla from 1967 to 1987 was nearly identical in chassis and design.

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Ok so the gr86/brz is a sports car now according to the internet and that makes me feel better about myself
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another 'real car' convo?

reruns are ok every once in a while...
Better than Fake Car convos.

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You have a point (I think I even said it is 2022 someplace)

According to the internet a whole pile of cars that are distinctly NOT sports cars by anybody here's definition now identify as such!


https://www.carmax.com/articles/best-sports-cars
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if you gave me $100k for a car, i'd buy a mitsubishi mirage. in that passion purple color.

then i'd take the rest and mod my other 2 vehicles well past any reasonable length.
My wet dream is LFA engine in my frs. I like how reasonable you are for daily that Mitsubishi
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