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12-08-2020, 11:46 AM | #15 | |
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If Tesla was the only true option, I'd never own an EV. They just don't pass my first test, I have to like the way the car looks. It's not a Tesla specific thing, it's a design language thing. They offer nothing in my car price range I would be willing to drive.
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I like the rivian truck but it's vaporware. The best looking car out right now is the toyota 86 EDIT: Totally forgot: Jaguar iPace 70k/76k/81k for the three models.
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In places that generate clean, renewable electricity, yes. Not in Australia though, where we burn lots of coal for baseload power in many states.
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If we dump the things into landfill at end of life, that’s true. But almost everything can be recycled and reused... if it can be made cost effective. That’s they key barrier to wider scale recycling... that and the energy it requires.
We also need a change in thinking, from mindless consumerism and ‘engineered obsolesence’ to keeping, repairing and upgrading things instead of always buying a brand new one. Manufacturers (with consumers support) themselves have driven much of this waste and depletion of materials by engineering in obsolescence into their products, giving them a deliberately shorter life because they want to sell more new ones. When it is cheaper to throw something away and buy a new one, instead of repair or upgrade the existing one, there is an inherently bad and wasteful incentive built in. We probably need to move away from ‘buying’ to ‘leasing’ for many products with rare elements in them so that there are strong financial incentives for the manufacturer to make the product last as long as possible in order to reap the greatest financial return. Quote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug...cles_in_Norway But sure, for most countries significant changes to infrastructure are required. Ideally we need everyone generating power locally with support from base load power as a backup, instead of relying on centralised base load generation only. The obvious thing in a country like Australia is solar - every home should have it, and with sufficient panels and battery backup, most homes could be self sufficient... including charging their EV off their own power. Even the design of EVs should factor this in... PV tech has advanced to the stage where not only could all the body panels be PV cells, but even the glass could as well. The car could literally be recharging itself as it rolls down the road, or sits parked outside. Yes, it would be expensive, so govts would have to step up and heavily subsidise it until economies of scale made it cost effective. But much is possible if we leverage both science and govt to support it. |
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Only a small percentage of new cars are purchased each year (6.1%). Only a fraction of cars currently sold are electric. In five years if 100% of new passenger vehicles sold are EVs (unlikely) then it would still take 15-20 years for total adoption. Unless there is a mandate that all vehicles on the road be electric then 100% adoption may take another 100+ years following a typical S-adoption curve. There is time for utilities to scale is my point.
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At least the CyberTruck has character, the rest were designed by used soap bar modeling.
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we saw this in the 80's to early 2000's. the american domestics started floundering in comfort of the 'locked down' market of the 50's, 60's, and 70's. besides the gas crunch, their quality and reliability standards relaxed, and it gave the opportunity for korean and japanese brands to step in. the european parliament ins introducing right-to-repair legislation with the requirement that products be labelled with expected lifetime and repairability information, long-term availability of parts: https://hackaday.com/2020/12/02/euro...rating-system/ Quote:
a guy i used to talk to in norway ended up in a very nicely equipped tesla. he had said at the time all the tolls, parking, bus lane access, and tax reductions amounted to the car costing about half it normally would out of pocket for the year compared to any ICE vehicle, and he could still get those discounts for multiple years, making the car essentially free compared to the cost of driving an ICE in the same scenario. https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-e...0roads%20(2019) Quote:
https://hackaday.com/2020/12/02/the-...f-solar-power/ also important to remember, solar works best in a very narrow range: https://blog.spiritenergy.co.uk/cont...olar-panels-uk Quote:
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Not to mention Norway, in terms of geographic size, is about 50% of the size of Texas, and has a population of about 19.7M less people than Texas. (5M vs 25M).
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Any region/group of countries that decommissions nuclear power generation won't be taken seriously by me. Let's not forget that the EU has started importing electricity generated by coal plants in China.
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2nd: leasing option is referred on the video. Toyota and other OEMs sees the financial benefits of the complete lifecycle, which will be good for business and may also be good for environment. 3rd: I think that home solar panels is the way to go. It got a hit when Spain passed some laws trying to prohibit that, but I hope no other country follows same path. |
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