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Old 08-14-2020, 12:30 AM   #1
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Best value coils

Hey Iím looking at coils and thereís is so many choices. I need help narrowing it down. Looking to spend no more than $ 1500 CAD. Thanks for your personal knowledge and experience thanks!
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Hey Iím looking at coils and thereís is so many choices. I need help narrowing it down. Looking to spend no more than $ 1500 CAD. Thanks for your personal knowledge and experience thanks!

First question is always what are you going to be using your car for?


CSG and RCE support our community, so I always suggest checking out their offerings first.

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Best value? Stock. Saved you $1500.
Jokes aside, budget is only one variable. State your goals/use case/expectations more detailed.
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RCE Yellows or Tarmac, or Swift Sport or Spec-R, + Bilstein B6 or B8

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Scour the local classifieds for low use pre-owned.

Also depends of the driving you are doing. Track duty, daily driver, summer car only etc.

For example, mine is a summer only car that was originally intended to use for a few track sessions per season (that's another story). I have Ohlin's MP20 with 6000K springs all around. Its 20mm lower than stock and NVH increased, but I keep everything on the softer settings and put on maybe 8000km/season since installing 3 or 4 yrs ago. For sure the track performance greatly increased, but not comfort on rough roads.

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I'm currently running the koni yellow eibach pro kit combo, cost me about ~700 if I remember correctly. Very comfortable and handling feels great. I only autocross occasionally as an amateur and do tons of windy back road driving. The car is my daily.
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Can’t really go wrong with ST suspensions. They’re made in Germany by KW, same internals and springs as the KW coil overs. The only difference is the show body is galvanized instead of stainless. I’ve had them 5 years in my BMW by the beach in FL and not a hint of rust on the shock bodies. And everything rusts here.

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I can't be the only one thinking he meant ignition coils.

ST coilovers get my vote for budget, performance, and comfort. I've been in a car set up with the STs and also KW V3s, can't go wrong wither either. The fit and finish on them is fantastic.
In my opinion, stick with something that re-uses the factory tophats if you aren't looking for hellaflush cambergang racewars style for your car. A lot of clunking and harshness starts with pillowball top hats.
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In my opinion, stick with something that re-uses the factory tophats if you aren't looking for hellaflush cambergang racewars style for your car. A lot of clunking and harshness starts with pillowball top hats.
Pillowball upper mounts are not a problem for ride harshness *if there is sufficient bump travel*. My FD was SUPER-harsh with Tein SS coilovers that used the factory rubber isolators up top, and SUPER-smooove with Ohlins R&T with pillowballs.

BRZ front suspension is front bump-travel limited. At least my PP with Sachs struts was. with 1.25" lower springs and Raceseng camber plates (which themselves reduce bump travel ~3/4") the ride was intolerable as it would bottom the front suspension over the smallest bumps.

However now with Bilstein B8s installed this past spring (with Swift Spec-R springs and the Raceseng camber plates), the ride is *super*-smooove over bumps Much better ride over bumps than the factory setup.
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Pillowball upper mounts are not a problem for ride harshness *if there is sufficient bump travel*. My FD was SUPER-harsh with Tein SS coilovers that used the factory rubber isolators up top, and SUPER-smooove with Ohlins R&T with pillowballs.

BRZ front suspension is front bump-travel limited. At least my PP with Sachs struts was. with 1.25" lower springs and Raceseng camber plates (which themselves reduce bump travel ~3/4") the ride was intolerable as it would bottom the front suspension over the smallest bumps.

However now with Bilstein B8s installed this past spring (with Swift Spec-R springs and the Raceseng camber plates), the ride is *super*-smooove over bumps Much better ride over bumps than the factory setup.

Iím inclined to disagree. The rubber mounts dampen a ton of high frequency vibrations that the pillowballs will transmit. Iíve had the same coils on my BMW with and without pillowball camber plates, and they made the ride significantly worse to me. Then again NVH is very subjective.

I vote keep the stock top hats or get some Pedders if you need camber.

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I’m inclined to disagree. The rubber mounts dampen a ton of high frequency vibrations that the pillowballs will transmit. I’ve had the same coils on my BMW with and without pillowball camber plates, and they made the ride significantly worse to me. Then again NVH is very subjective.

I vote keep the stock top hats or get some Pedders if you need camber.
To amend what I said before, pillowballs will not degrade ride if you have sufficient bump travel *and* decent dampers. If you have excessive high-speed damping, yeah I can see that having solid mounts might make things a bit worse, but it's gonna still suck with rubber isolators. That was my experience with Tein SS and rubber isolators on my FD, and to a lesser degree with the BRZ PP's stock setup (the Sachs are a bit harsh).

With digressive dampers that bleed off at high speeds over bumps in the road, the ride will be smooove with pillowball mounts given sufficient bump travel. FD on Ohlins R&T and my current setup with BRZ on Swift R-Spec/Bilstien B8s with Raceseng camber plates both *much smoother* than the setups I ran with factory rubber isolators but excessive high-speed damping.


I would guess that with your BMW you either are losing too much bump travel with the pillowball camber plates, or your dampers have a bit much high-speed damping and are inherently harsh over bumps.
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$1500 cad doesn't buy much. Since you're at entry level, I would say stick with Tein Flex Z
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$1500 cad doesn't buy much. Since you're at entry level, I would say stick with Tein Flex Z
$1,500 CAD can get you the Tein Flex A. I'd get that over the Flex Z for the rebuildability and HBS.
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Iím inclined to disagree. The rubber mounts dampen a ton of high frequency vibrations that the pillowballs will transmit. Iíve had the same coils on my BMW with and without pillowball camber plates, and they made the ride significantly worse to me. Then again NVH is very subjective.

I vote keep the stock top hats or get some Pedders if you need camber.
Depends on the chassis and suspension, I had almost no increase in NVH on this car switching to camber plates on stock suspension. Stiffen the springs/dampers a bunch and now the top mount becomes a larger factor in NVH.
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