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Old 05-10-2021, 11:16 AM   #2423
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Not sure I follow this. I visited Florida on 6 different occasions during the last 18 months, and each time there was a full mask mandate in place (at least in the municipalities where I stayed) and there was near 100% compliance indoors. Any restaurant I went to had limited seating and some were doing carry-out only.
It was left up to the local governments as to how to handle it by my understanding.
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Got dose #1 of Pfizer on Saturday around noon.

Sunday I was locked to my couch. Not feeling sick, but extremely fatigued and slept close to 10 hours the night before. Arm is about as sore as it usually gets from flu shots.

Feeling better today but not 100% yet. Overall not bad... bring on dose #2!
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It was left up to the local governments as to how to handle it by my understanding.
Correct! At the time, leadership did not want to make it a federal matter, and insisted it be controlled at the local level.
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Correct! At the time, leadership did not want to make it a federal matter, and insisted it be controlled at the local level.
Well even within Florida at the state level, I don't think there was a minimum set of pandemic rules to follow, just a maximum set that local governments were allowed enact. Hearing this all secondhand so take that with a grain of salt.

In contrast, Maryland, the state set the minimum level of pandemic rules and allowed local governments to exceed those rules.
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Not sure I follow this. I visited Florida on 6 different occasions during the last 18 months, and each time there was a full mask mandate in place (at least in the municipalities where I stayed) and there was near 100% compliance indoors. Any restaurant I went to had limited seating and some were doing carry-out only.
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Interesting how differently some places have approached this pandemic.

Florida not requiring masks and business as usual. Keeps the economy on a less apocalyptic course but puts more humans in a real apocalypse. Sacrificial behaviour for what they believe is the overall best. Politics plays strongly, the louder voices win. Businesses stay open and attempt to carry on undisturbed.

Here in Ontario (southern, anyway) all retail and restaurants are closed except takeout and necessity. The lockdowns have killed retail businesses for sure. Even with the federal government issuing payments to business owners for rent there is still no income for months at a stretch for many people. And a very significant percentage of those businesses cease to exist. It is really is a big reset for so many, especially restaurants and street level shops. Will our approach turn out better? Probably not due to our premier (governor) reacting with 2-4 week delays with the various restrictions despite the advice of the health care professionals. We had let all our PPE stockpile put aside after SARS expire. Toronto being one of the places that had a SARS outbreak in the early 2000's, there was a stockpile set aside, then forgotten about and much had been sent to disposal before Jan 2020.

The longterm care home issues that were exposed should at the very least result in better preparedness going forward, I hope.

So, is it right to kill your economy as they have done here locally in order to keep the virus out? Or, do as Florida has, keep it rolling and see increased deaths? I think the former, if it is done effectively, but if it isn't effective it's just adding to the misery. I think that in Ontario the hesitancy to act in a very timely matter and not leave many loopholes has made this financial sacrifice far less effective than it should be. Will governments learn?
I have witnessed vaccine apathy, where the shot it available but people just don't bother going online and scheduling a shot. This is where I think a vaccine passport is necessary and it should be announced well in advance what some of the framework should be. Some people simply won't act unless they fear losing something. In this case, their freedom to move about as they would otherwise.
Must be the warm weather then..
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Dadhawk, I was of the understanding that at least some parts of FL were wide open. Just as most everything is open in Scottsdale according to my sister.

Here they just did poorly timed shutdowns that allowed you to just drive to the next municipality that was open and spread things even more. And the govt refused to provide sick pay to essential workers then wondered why things went bad when they saw infection spread in food plants and factories. Duh! Lockdowns were timed wrong and done half-assed. The result is a nonexemplary job fighting the spread. If the medical experts had authority over the premier (who is also a wealthy businessman and very pro business and conservative), they could certainly have done better. And somehow preparedness for longterm care homes was awful. My father was in lockdown and still caught the virus, likely from a caregiver in Dec '20, 9 months after a worldwide pandemic had been declared.
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Can we get a direct link to the graphic source? I was only able to find the following, which shows a very different picture.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/...19-spread-map/
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Dadhawk, I was of the understanding that at least some parts of FL were wide open. Just as most everything is open in Scottsdale according to my sister.
It could very well be now. The last time I was there for any length of time was late March and not much had changed in practice at least.

I can say people are definitely starting to "loosen up" in Atlanta. A lot more non-mask wearers in certain environments.
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Texas is one of those ultra free states where they tossed all restrictions. However, unless you go to the more rural areas, a surprising chunk of people still wear their masks.
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Can we get a direct link to the graphic source? I was only able to find the following, which shows a very different picture.
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I already closed out that window but the numbers will match up. It's not a different picture. The fact is that per 100k it's just not as bad down there as it is in NY,CT,MA... Don't forget FL has 21mil people. Here's another source.

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I already closed out that window but the numbers will match up. It's not a different picture. The fact is that per 100k it's just not as bad down there as it is in NY,CT,MA... Don't forget FL has 21mil people. Here's another source.

https://www.heritage.org/data-visual...ates-by-state/

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Well the latest map I had from the source you cited seemed to indicate that Florida was worse off than NY or NJ as of May 9th 2021, so I was wondering what the date was on that.

On the later source, it is data from early this year at the latest (assuming they updated the whole page from the original November publishing).
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I already closed out that window but the numbers will match up. It's not a different picture. The fact is that per 100k it's just not as bad down there as it is in NY,CT,MA... Don't forget FL has 21mil people. Here's another source.

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Well the latest map I had from the source you cited seemed to indicate that Florida was worse off than NY or NJ as of May 9th 2021, so I was wondering what the date was on that.



On the later source, it is data from early this year at the latest (assuming they updated the whole page from the original November publishing).
I was talking per captia overall. I didn't look at one week but even that, when you account for FL having 21 million people or whatever it is... they are doing much better than most of New England. At least better than NY, CT, MA for sure.

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I was talking per captia overall. I didn't look at one week but even that, when you account for FL having 21 million people or whatever it is... they are doing much better than most of New England. At least better than NY, CT, MA for sure.

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