All-New 2022 Subaru BRZ Makes Global Debut

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by why?

I like the interior better, especially the center console and stack.

I dont like how it looks.

The current one had a design element to it, this one looks slapped together with different pieces.

[unsurety]

Haven't been on here in a long time, was curious to see what everyone thought.

I was actually a big fan of everything, except for that grille. If they made it extend lower, I think it would look better. In any case, I'm quite the fan already.

The square part of the center stack is a little odd but the interior looks like a big improvement overall.

Dunno if I would get it. Peak torque at a lower RPM should do wonders in making the car feel less gutless.

[Spankopotomous]

Front - Porsche with Mutton Chop Brake cooling Ducts
Side - Baby Lexus RC-F
Rear - Last gen Honda Accord Coupe

I like the overall package, but the front and rear are underwhelming. The Lexus/Toyota side profile designs don't seem cohesive to the front and rear. I really hope the GR86 has different bumpers.

The interior redesign seems like a sidestep instead of an improvement. I'll pass on this 2nd gen but really want those seats and powerband. I wonder if/what suspension changes were made...

[unsurety]

Originally Posted by kaputt

I really like almost all of this update.

Front may take some getting used to. I’d like to see the car in Red.

One thing I definitely don’t like is the pre established license plate flat spot. Ugh.

Ahhh shit, why did you have to mention this? Now I can't unsee it.

I would have noticed eventually, but still. More like, "why, Subaru?"

If the renders/spy photos end up correct, it will be a bit ironic now that the Toyota will have the mustache.

[Lynxis]

No one:
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My opinion:

Design feels like they took elements from a few other cars and slapped them onto the BRZ and I'm not sure it works for me. Silhouette and lower front end heavily puts me in mind of a Z car. The way the headlights and fender/hood bubble puts me in mind of a Porsche Boxter. Car doesn't look bad in WRB but I'm not sold and think the previous gen looks better.

In terms of the 7000/7500RPM redline, it's totally possible to have the redline at 7000 and fuel cut at 7500. My friends RX8 is like this, redline is 8500 but it revs to 9000 before it cuts. This is normally denoted on the gauge cluster by light red after the redline and dark red after the fuel cut. We don't see this in the images but these pictures are pre-production so we will have to wait until this is clarified. It is very unusual to put peak power at the redline.

I saw a lot of people saying "front and rear suspension is derived from the existing model" but then they mention double wishbone in the rear for the new model. 1st gen cars are multi link, not double wishbone, so I'd like to see this point clarified.

Sounds like the motor got a healthy bump and if the previously posted torque/hp graph is to be believed, all but eliminated the torque dip. If so, it will probably quiet down the highway cruisers who complain endlessly about the cars power because they are too lazy to downshift. Also, 2.4L with 13.5:1 compression and a lot of people were already concerned about boosting the 12.5:1 first gen. Interested to see how it takes boost and how reliable it is at that boosted power level. I don't expect improved fuel economy though.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Engineers figure out how to make things less expensive when they iterate designs. They could simplify the processing of any number of parts or assembly processes to basically cover for higher cost of other components. They can also decontent certain things that customers don’t find valuable to make room in the budget for things people do value. If they figured out how to use common parts from an existing product, they can reduce overall cost there.

I’ve literally been in benchmarking activities on new automotive production projects where we have done those exact things. Our cost reduction activity doesn’t change what we charge for the car, though. The price of the car is market driven. We get a cost target for our unit and we make it happen through process reduction, automation, and feedback to designers that could allow us to build it cheaper but achieve the same function targets. If we can get beyond that cost target, great, a pat on the back for the team.


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I have been doing it for 30 years. If they had decontent maybe. If they had not once again used a bespoke platform maybe. If they had gone more parts bin maybe. It does not appear they did any of this. The price is going to go up. Hopefully not too much but up all the same. Expecting to get one for $27 to $28K is a pipe dream.

[DuMa]

year 9... still no arm rest

[marky]

Originally Posted by DuMa

year 9... still no arm rest

I think this is.. kinda lol.. idk.. it folds open if you watch the redline video on the interior

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by DuMa

year 9... still no arm rest

I think their armrest design is basically there. The cupholder section folds closed and looks to be enough for one.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by DuMa

year 9... still no arm rest

I thought this at first, especially problematic with the new folding cover over the storage area.

But the center console looks like it might slope upwards after the ebrake so it might slope high enough to act as an armrest.

Hard to tell though, need one of those first drive passengers to clarify it.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by DuMa

year 9... still no arm rest

Meh, plenty of aftermarket options will be around just like this gen.

I really like my Carsmo since it's light, easy to take in and out, and feels comfortable while being close enough to the shifter and leaving space behind it for the cup holders.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have been doing it for 30 years. If they had decontent maybe. If they had not once again used a bespoke platform maybe. If they had gone more parts bin maybe. It does not appear they did any of this. The price is going to go up. Hopefully not too much but up all the same. Expecting to get one for $27 to $28K is a pipe dream.

The fact they brought back the Premium trim tells me that they are price conscious (and they should be; that has been the biggest issue with the cars IMO). The premium was $26,600 for a 2019 model. $27k is probably a reach unless they go hard on the decontenting (no standard LSD and stuff like that), but the car isn’t a drastic change in the market it occupies to be jumping up over $30k base. We will see, though.


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[weederr33]

Am I the only one that sees a little bit of 350z, RX8, and Porsche 718?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Am I the only one that sees a little bit of 350z, RX8, and Porsche 718?

There are only so many design cues to be had in a sportscar. Of course some things will look like other cars. Even the basic aero designs are all going to be similar.