follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
RR Racing
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum - FT86CLUB > Technical Topics > Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing

Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing Relating to suspension, chassis, and brakes. Sponsored by 949 Racing.


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-23-2018, 11:35 PM   #1
Daedex
Security Systems Engineer
 
Daedex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Drives: White 2017 BRZ
Location: Gilbert, Az
Posts: 107
Thanks: 86
Thanked 33 Times in 15 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Another "Which Coils to get?" thread

As the title suggests, I'd like to add my own thread to all the others, so ill get right to it:

Price range: up to 4k

Reason for wanting coils:Titan 7 T-S5 18x9.5 wheels on 265/35. kinda need coils for this setup.

intended use
: Daily driving predominantly, lots of spirited driving through yarnel, PCH, plus track days up to 5 times in a year

Desired Camber: only as much as is needed to make the wheels fit without rubbing on full lock, and so that the wheel is flush with the wheel well when looking straight down (i.e. i dont want the wheels poking out). Granted, I really dont know much about this subject, nor how much i need. But I am going more for performance than looks in this area, so whatever would suit the build from a performance standpoint (first sentence notwithstanding).

Desired comfort: To preface, this bullet point isnt a priority. Close to stock for the PP 2017, but i wouldnt mind going a bit harder than stock.

Drop height: around 1.5" .. I dont want to fully slam it, but I am going for this type of look regarding drop height:



Shout out to spicyricecake for his above build. He said its a 1.7" drop.

Now, prior to the communities feedback, KW V3 coilovers seem to be the ones everyone veers towards, and the ones im considering. I've also heard great things about RCE ohlins.

With that said, what coils do you guys suggest?


Another question i would have is, do i need anything else along with coils for this specific setup? rubbing is an issue, so is fender rolling needed? or anything else that i might be missing?

Cheers
__________________
"I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true."

Last edited by Daedex; 10-25-2018 at 05:11 PM.
Daedex is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Daedex For This Useful Post:
Leonardo (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 12:27 PM   #2
tyler_win_photo
Senior Member
 
tyler_win_photo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Drives: 2014 Scion FRS (Asphalt)
Location: Redmond, WA
Posts: 549
Thanks: 36
Thanked 170 Times in 140 Posts
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
What tires are you planning on running?

People typically opt to go with aftermarket lcas after coils to tame the rear camber.
__________________
tyler_win_photo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to tyler_win_photo For This Useful Post:
Daedex (10-24-2018), Racecomp Engineering (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 12:39 PM   #3
Racecomp Engineering
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Drives: 2016 BRZ, 2012 Paris Di2 & 2018 STI
Location: Severn, MD
Posts: 4,720
Thanks: 2,618
Thanked 5,941 Times in 2,484 Posts
Mentioned: 268 Post(s)
Tagged: 9 Thread(s)
Send a message via AIM to Racecomp Engineering
Tire choice is very important.

Do you have other suspension mods?

- andrew
Racecomp Engineering is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Racecomp Engineering For This Useful Post:
Daedex (10-24-2018), Leonardo (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 12:40 PM   #4
Leonardo
Country Boy 4 Life
 
Leonardo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 13' FR-S, 07' MDX, 06' Ridgeline,
Location: EUGENE
Posts: 5,224
Thanks: 6,637
Thanked 5,187 Times in 2,689 Posts
Mentioned: 46 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
265s are huge. What tires do you have now? I am running 245/35/18; A perfect size IMO.


I would suggest, as @tyler_win_photo has already, getting LCA to help with the wheels and tires you have chosen.


After doing some research and reading what others have used; I ordered a few other parts to "dial in" my coils. LCA, Adj. trailing arms, adj. toe arms, adj. sway bar end links front & rear, and a bumpsteer kit.




If I had that kind of budget, I would consider custom Olhins or KW3's. I just read this thread...


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130755






Good Luck!
__________________
<img src=https://www.ft86club.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=2239&pictureid=11508 border=0 alt= />


I LIKE TIRES!
Leonardo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Leonardo For This Useful Post:
Daedex (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 12:46 PM   #5
N1rve
Senior Member
 
N1rve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Drives: 2019 BMW ///M4
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 2,311
Thanks: 102
Thanked 1,155 Times in 707 Posts
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daedex View Post
As the title suggests, I'd like to add my own thread to all the others, so ill get right to it:

Price range: up to 4k

Reason for wanting coils:Titan 7 T-S5 18x9.5 wheels on 265/35. kinda need coils for this setup.

intended use
: Daily driving predominantly, lots of spirited driving through yarnel, PCH, plus track days up to 5 times in a year

Desired Camber: only as much as is needed to make the wheels fit without rubbing on full lock, and so that the wheel is flush with the wheel well when looking straight down (i.e. i dont want the wheels poking out). Grenated, I really dont know much about this subject, nor how much i need. But I am going more for performance than looks in this area, so whatever would suit the build from a performance standpoint (first sentence notwithstanding).

Desired comfort: To preface, this bullet point isnt a priority. Close to stock for the PP 2017, but i wouldnt mind going a bit harder than stock.

Drop height: around 1.5" .. I dont want to fully slam it, but I am going for this type of look regarding drop height:



Shout out to spicyricecake for his above build. He said its a 1.7" drop.

Now, prior to the communities feedback, KW V3 coilovers seem to be the ones everyone veers towards, and the ones im considering. I've also heard great things about RCE ohlins.

With that said, what coils do you guys suggest?


Another question i would have is, do i need anything else along with coils for this specific setup? rubbing is an issue, so is fender rolling needed? or anything else that i might be missing?

Cheers

If you get 265 tires, you'll rub on the rear near the bumper. I have 18X9.5 +38 with 255 MPS4 with -2 in the rear and I slightly rub when I am turning into a driveway or anything like that. To fix this, you will need to sand part of the bumper. I highly recommend rear LCAs because the lower you drop, the more negative camber you will get in the rear.

For the front, any coilovers with camber plates should be fine.

Also -- 4k for coilovers is a huge budget -- You can buy the Tein Super Racing Coilovers and still have money left over. 10K/12K springs are really stiff FYI.

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/tein...l#.W9CTGHtKhhE
__________________
N1rve

2019 BMW ///M4 - Alpine White | Sakhir Orange/Black Leather | M-DCT | Executive Package | 19" Black 437M Wheels | CF Trim | Moonroof | Active Blind Spot | Heated Steering Wheel | Adaptive M Suspension
N1rve is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to N1rve For This Useful Post:
Daedex (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 01:15 PM   #6
Code Monkey
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Drives: Subaru BRZ
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 483
Thanks: 445
Thanked 282 Times in 184 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
MCS or wait for the 949Racing Xidas?
Code Monkey is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Code Monkey For This Useful Post:
Daedex (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 02:14 PM   #7
CSG Mike
 
CSG Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: S2000 CR
Location: Orange County
Posts: 13,330
Thanks: 8,323
Thanked 12,843 Times in 6,193 Posts
Mentioned: 901 Post(s)
Tagged: 13 Thread(s)
JRZ RS1 would be my vote with your budget, for a car that is primarily daily driven.

https://www.counterspacegarage.com/jrz-rs1-brz-frs

PM me for more details.
CSG Mike is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to CSG Mike For This Useful Post:
Daedex (10-24-2018), Shark_Bait88 (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 02:48 PM   #8
Daedex
Security Systems Engineer
 
Daedex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Drives: White 2017 BRZ
Location: Gilbert, Az
Posts: 107
Thanks: 86
Thanked 33 Times in 15 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tyler_win_photo View Post
What tires are you planning on running?

People typically opt to go with aftermarket lcas after coils to tame the rear camber.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering View Post
Tire choice is very important.

Do you have other suspension mods?

- andrew

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leonardo View Post
265s are huge. What tires do you have now? I am running 245/35/18; A perfect size IMO.

I would suggest, as @tyler_win_photo has already, getting LCA to help with the wheels and tires you have chosen.

After doing some research and reading what others have used; I ordered a few other parts to "dial in" my coils. LCA, Adj. trailing arms, adj. toe arms, adj. sway bar end links front & rear, and a bumpsteer kit.

If I had that kind of budget, I would consider custom Olhins or KW3's. I just read this thread...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130755

Good Luck!

to respond to everyone, my car currently is bare-bone stock (suspension wise). I have the performance package 2017 BRZ. Lookie:



Now regarding tires, i didn't fully research what exact tire to get, but prior to the 2017 BRZ, i was going to go with the continental extreme contact DW tires, but i know continental discontinued that specific one, and now has a one up from that. I just don't remember the name

If dropping down to 245s/35s prevents any rubbing without having to buy LCAs, i may opt for that route.

So to reiterate, if i went with 245/35, would that still require LCAs in the rear? or could i get away without those with that tire size? Side-note, any specific tire recommendations are welcome for our car. I live in phoenix, so no need for winter tires. summer performance all year round.

I am really glad i asked the question, because suspension has never been my forte, and reading all your responses made me happy, ha. Thank you all for your feedback.
__________________
"I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true."
Daedex is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Daedex For This Useful Post:
JoeC (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 02:58 PM   #9
tyler_win_photo
Senior Member
 
tyler_win_photo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Drives: 2014 Scion FRS (Asphalt)
Location: Redmond, WA
Posts: 549
Thanks: 36
Thanked 170 Times in 140 Posts
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daedex View Post
If dropping down to 245s/35s prevents any rubbing without having to buy LCAs, i may opt for that route.

So to reiterate, if i went with 245/35, would that still require LCAs in the rear? or could i get away without those with that tire size? Side-note, any specific tire recommendations are welcome for our car. I live in phoenix, so no need for winter tires. summer performance all year round.

I am really glad i asked the question, because suspension has never been my forte, and reading all your responses made me happy, ha. Thank you all for your feedback.
You could probably run a 255/35 and not rub... depending on the offset of your wheels. The point of LCAs is to correct camber, not necessarily to prevent rub.
__________________
tyler_win_photo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to tyler_win_photo For This Useful Post:
Daedex (10-24-2018), Leonardo (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 02:59 PM   #10
Code Monkey
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Drives: Subaru BRZ
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 483
Thanks: 445
Thanked 282 Times in 184 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
What's your rear camber now? Mine was -1.2/-1.7 stock. I think a 245 will fit, depending on wheel offset.

I went with RacerX upper real control arms and 255's on 17x9 +40 clear easily at -2.2 camber.

Most 200 treadwear tires (except RE-71R) will be good for spirited driving/occasional track day -- Hankook RS4, Direzza ZIII, Azenis RT615K+, etc.
Code Monkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2018, 06:56 PM   #11
Daedex
Security Systems Engineer
 
Daedex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Drives: White 2017 BRZ
Location: Gilbert, Az
Posts: 107
Thanks: 86
Thanked 33 Times in 15 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Code Monkey View Post
What's your rear camber now? Mine was -1.2/-1.7 stock. I think a 245 will fit, depending on wheel offset.

I went with RacerX upper real control arms and 255's on 17x9 +40 clear easily at -2.2 camber.

Most 200 treadwear tires (except RE-71R) will be good for spirited driving/occasional track day -- Hankook RS4, Direzza ZIII, Azenis RT615K+, etc.



Honestly I dont know what my camber is on this car as I havent needed to take it into a shop at all yet. With that said others have reported close to your #'s on the 2017 as well, so i wouldnt be surprised if its not far off.
__________________
"I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true."
Daedex is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Daedex For This Useful Post:
Code Monkey (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 08:37 PM   #12
JoeC
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Drives: Subaru BRZ Limited
Location: Colorado
Posts: 354
Thanks: 477
Thanked 222 Times in 118 Posts
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daedex View Post
Honestly I dont know what my camber is on this car as I havent needed to take it into a shop at all yet. With that said others have reported close to your #'s on the 2017 as well, so i wouldnt be surprised if its not far off.
genuinely curious, if you haven't taken it into a shop how do you know that it's good?
JoeC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2018, 08:46 PM   #13
Daedex
Security Systems Engineer
 
Daedex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Drives: White 2017 BRZ
Location: Gilbert, Az
Posts: 107
Thanks: 86
Thanked 33 Times in 15 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeC View Post
genuinely curious, if you haven't taken it into a shop how do you know that it's good?

sorry, let me rephrase. I have taken it to subaru for a checkup when i initially bought the car. I bought it in Seattle, and drove it down to Arizona, and requested that they take a look. They said it was fine overall. I took their word as i dont feel or see any issues regarding alignment while driving, so i left it at that.



What i meant is i have not asked for a print out of the alignment for the BRZ, so i dont know actual numbers for the toe and camber.
__________________
"I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true."
Daedex is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Daedex For This Useful Post:
JoeC (10-25-2018)
Old 10-25-2018, 02:48 PM   #14
CounterSpace Garage
 
CounterSpace Garage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Drives: Subaru BRZ / Toyota 86 Experts
Location: Santa Fe Springs, CA
Posts: 986
Thanks: 342
Thanked 873 Times in 375 Posts
Mentioned: 149 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
On the budget spectrum, CSG Spec TEIN Flex A would effectively allow you to perform other modifications to improve overall response of the vehicle. JRZ RS1 would be the higher end of the spectrum to provide the high end setup. Let us know some more information on your driving requirements and experience and the setup will be tailored accordingly.
CounterSpace Garage is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Meet "Storm" Errol's 86 Progress/Build Thread RainEG Member's Car Journals 15 06-30-2020 03:12 AM
Vicious LED "BABYLFA" Asphalt FR-S Build Thread! Vicious LED Member's Car Journals 111 01-24-2014 03:20 AM
Is there a collective "stock parts weight" thread? Bullnettles Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum 1 05-28-2013 02:46 PM
The "if you wanna kiss the backside of white musicians make a thread about it" Thread aliphian Off-Topic Lounge 8 12-19-2011 08:59 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.