(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by beltax90

https://www.netcarshow.com/lotus/2010-elite_concept/
hks-power.co.jp/en/product_db/supercharger/db/20246

I see the Hyundai Genesis...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Care to elaborate? I’d love to read more first hand experiences of people going from early cars to late ones. I think I want to get a 2019-2020 in the near future but I’m afraid that after switching I’ll realize 2 months in that it’s not the same magic.

Depends on what you like really since they are so very much alike in most things but some of the upgrades although minor are nice. Something are not so great as well though but a lot of those are subjective..

Like
The changed final gearing although not huge does give a tiny bit more 'pep' off the line. Doubt it gives a measurable increase in over all speed but it is nice.
The ride is much better but doesn't sacrifice much stiffness to get it.
So far I have not had a single click, clank, creak or any other interior noise. Not one.
Not for everybody but going from the basic FRS to the quasi luxury features of the 86 is fantastic! I for one forgot how much I loved auto climatic controls and keyless everything. No more muttering under my breath digging in my pocket for a bloody key.
The interior as a whole looks much better and I never disliked the old one.
The info center is handy.
They left the old cruise stalk alone. It's immediate response is great!

Don't like as much
That goddamned horrible HU. Worst I have ever heard in a car built after 1968.
The alcantara and leather seats are pretty but don't have the flex of the cloth so they feel pretty hard in comparison. Hoping they break in a bit.
Love the function of the HVAC controls. Completely hate the number and size of the lights they thought they needed as indicators for it. They just went overboard.
The info display is interesting but the whole shove a square peg in a round hole rankles my sense of order.They could have at least rounded the corners or something.
That final drive that makes starting out so nice really impacts mileage when 98% of your driving is done between 70 and 75 on the highway I have gone from 32MPG to 28. Not that I am a Prius mileage fanatic or anything but that is a substantial change. I used to cruise at around 3200 and now am over 3500 most of my commute.
Oh and that slippery steering wheel cover. Who thought that was good?

All in all the differences are very minor and the complaints trivial.
The BRZ Limited owners have had most of the niceties all along but the FRS owner that would like a few comforts will enjoy them.

As far as driving it goes the changes are very small. If you liked one you will like the other. Of course many will change things no matter what year they get.

[haloterence]

The render is an edited version of the Lotus Elite concept. Credit to the people that posted it on Paultan's comments.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by haloterence

The render is an edited version of the Lotus Elite concept. Credit to the people that posted it on Paultan's comments.

WOW It is barely even edited. Yet people will still believe it!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by haloterence

The render is an edited version of the Lotus Elite concept. Credit to the people that posted it on Paultan's comments.

Yea, I noticed that too. in fact if you reply to the original post the image tag says Lotus all in it.

[saltywetman]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Depends on what you like really since they are so very much alike in most things but some of the upgrades although minor are nice. Something are not so great as well though but a lot of those are subjective..

Like
The changed final gearing although not huge does give a tiny bit more 'pep' off the line. Doubt it gives a measurable increase in over all speed but it is nice.
The ride is much better but doesn't sacrifice much stiffness to get it.
So far I have not had a single click, clank, creak or any other interior noise. Not one.
Not for everybody but going from the basic FRS to the quasi luxury features of the 86 is fantastic! I for one forgot how much I loved auto climatic controls and keyless everything. No more muttering under my breath digging in my pocket for a bloody key.
The interior as a whole looks much better and I never disliked the old one.
The info center is handy.
They left the old cruise stalk alone. It's immediate response is great!

Don't like as much
That goddamned horrible HU. Worst I have ever heard in a car built after 1968.
The alcantara and leather seats are pretty but don't have the flex of the cloth so they feel pretty hard in comparison. Hoping they break in a bit.
Love the function of the HVAC controls. Completely hate the number and size of the lights they thought they needed as indicators for it. They just went overboard.
The info display is interesting but the whole shove a square peg in a round hole rankles my sense of order.They could have at least rounded the corners or something.
That final drive that makes starting out so nice really impacts mileage when 98% of your driving is done between 70 and 75 on the highway I have gone from 32MPG to 28. Not that I am a Prius mileage fanatic or anything but that is a substantial change. I used to cruise at around 3200 and now am over 3500 most of my commute.
Oh and that slippery steering wheel cover. Who thought that was good?

All in all the differences are very minor and the complaints trivial.
The BRZ Limited owners have had most of the niceties all along but the FRS owner that would like a few comforts will enjoy them.

As far as driving it goes the changes are very small. If you liked one you will like the other. Of course many will change things no matter what year they get.

That bad eh? so that "updated" HU supporting Android auto and apple play that was supposed to be a selling point for the 2020 models is actually a negative

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I see the Hyundai Genesis...

i was 10 minutes before signing the paperwork on a manual genesis 3.8 track. then i test drove it just to be sure, and it all fell apart. it's a 4-door luxury car with 2 doors welded over, stiffer dampers but soft springs to give it a phoned-in sports car feel, and BLUE LIGHTS everywhere. it's like driving a k-mart special...

[beltax90]

Où se trouve la station de métro la plus proche

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by beltax90

So what does the Supra concept have to do with this? Random renders are random.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Depends on what you like really since they are so very much alike in most things but some of the upgrades although minor are nice. Something are not so great as well though but a lot of those are subjective..

Like
The changed final gearing although not huge does give a tiny bit more 'pep' off the line. Doubt it gives a measurable increase in over all speed but it is nice.
The ride is much better but doesn't sacrifice much stiffness to get it.
So far I have not had a single click, clank, creak or any other interior noise. Not one.
Not for everybody but going from the basic FRS to the quasi luxury features of the 86 is fantastic! I for one forgot how much I loved auto climatic controls and keyless everything. No more muttering under my breath digging in my pocket for a bloody key.
The interior as a whole looks much better and I never disliked the old one.
The info center is handy.
They left the old cruise stalk alone. It's immediate response is great!

Don't like as much
That goddamned horrible HU. Worst I have ever heard in a car built after 1968.
The alcantara and leather seats are pretty but don't have the flex of the cloth so they feel pretty hard in comparison. Hoping they break in a bit.
Love the function of the HVAC controls. Completely hate the number and size of the lights they thought they needed as indicators for it. They just went overboard.
The info display is interesting but the whole shove a square peg in a round hole rankles my sense of order.They could have at least rounded the corners or something.
That final drive that makes starting out so nice really impacts mileage when 98% of your driving is done between 70 and 75 on the highway I have gone from 32MPG to 28. Not that I am a Prius mileage fanatic or anything but that is a substantial change. I used to cruise at around 3200 and now am over 3500 most of my commute.
Oh and that slippery steering wheel cover. Who thought that was good?

All in all the differences are very minor and the complaints trivial.
The BRZ Limited owners have had most of the niceties all along but the FRS owner that would like a few comforts will enjoy them.

As far as driving it goes the changes are very small. If you liked one you will like the other. Of course many will change things no matter what year they get.

You did the best choice. Did you find an exhaust?

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

That final drive that makes starting out so nice really impacts mileage when 98% of your driving is done between 70 and 75 on the highway I have gone from 32MPG to 28. Not that I am a Prius mileage fanatic or anything but that is a substantial change. I used to cruise at around 3200 and now am over 3500 most of my commute.

Mileage is rated as identical between the 4.1 and 4.3 cars.
Very odd that you're getting 28mpg on the highway at those speeds. I get over 30mpg combined 10/90 city/hwy, with highway speeds being 75-80mph. Highway only I'm around 33.
If you were at 3200 rpm with 4.1 gears, you should be at 3350 with 4.3 at the same speed, not 3500. Hard to believe, but given your cruise rpm and mileage, clutch slip?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by beltax90

Showing us this is grounds for a permaban from the forums. I mean what did we do to you to deserve this?

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

That final drive that makes starting out so nice really impacts mileage when 98% of your driving is done between 70 and 75 on the highway I have gone from 32MPG to 28. Not that I am a Prius mileage fanatic or anything but that is a substantial change. I used to cruise at around 3200 and now am over 3500 most of my commute.

3500 rpm at 70 mph is unacceptable to me. My FR-S AT does 2250 rpm at 70mph. Gas consumption is about 35 mpg at 70 mph (with JRSC) if I set the cruise control.

In my opinion, they killed the car for that throttle response effect. Can't you just swap with an AT differential? Used AT differentials should be cheap on ebay. I would do that immediately.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

You did the best choice. Did you find an exhaust?

Still shopping around. Will be a while before K
I can buy anyway with the Canadian dollar in the toilet from oil prices and my wife laid off.

Originally Posted by ZDan

Mileage is rated as identical between the 4.1 and 4.3 cars.
Very odd that you're getting 28mpg on the highway at those speeds. I get over 30mpg combined 10/90 city/hwy, with highway speeds being 75-80mph. Highway only I'm around 33.
If you were at 3200 rpm with 4.1 gears, you should be at 3350 with 4.3 at the same speed, not 3500. Hard to believe, but given your cruise rpm and mileage, clutch slip?

That is the highway and city average so even the starts are driving it up. There is no signs of any issues so I am sure that is just how it is.

Originally Posted by mrg666

3500 rpm at 70 mph is unacceptable to me. My FR-S AT does 2250 rpm at 70mph. Gas consumption is about 35 mpg at 70 mph (with JRSC) if I set the cruise control.

In my opinion, they killed the car for that throttle response effect. Can't you just swap with an AT differential? Used AT differentials should be cheap on ebay. I would do that immediately.

Not worried about it enough to start changing things. It is more of an observation than a complaint.