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Old 08-06-2020, 11:03 PM   #85
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I recently installed a 2017 A/T engine (black manifold) into my 2016 a/t brz. I transferred every single sensor and the complete wiring harness from my 2016 engine, to my new 2017 engine. The car starts and runs okay for a minute but then gives me P0011 and P0021 CEL (timing over advanced) Do i need a different tune for the 2017 engine to run correctly?

No, you need to pull the front cover off and swap over the cam trigger wheels off the older engine. Each wheel is specific to each camshaft. Turn the engine over by hand until the triangles face each other before swapping. 3 inverted torx bolts each, sorry I don't remember the size off the top of my head. I want to say they go to 12-13ft-lbs, but, please double check.

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Old 08-06-2020, 11:39 PM   #86
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No, you need to pull the front cover off and swap over the cam trigger wheels off the older engine. Each wheel is specific to each camshaft. Turn the engine over by hand until the triangles face each other before swapping. 3 inverted torx bolts each, sorry I don't remember the size off the top of my head. I want to say they go to 12-13ft-lbs, but, please double check.

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You dont have to take the cam gears apart, you can simply switch the cam gear itself.
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Old 08-07-2020, 12:08 AM   #87
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You dont have to take the cam gears apart, you can simply switch the cam gear itself.

Yeah, I was just thinking if he was going to be doing it with the engine in the car still it would be easier to just swap the wheels themselves. That way he doesn't have to mess with the pulling the chain and messing with that bit, saving a bit of time.
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I wouldn't chance it because I'm not 100% certain. However, I had a Subaru technician directing me through most of it who told me I need to, so I trust him. It's something about the sensors that I inside the cam gears.

EDIT* okay just had a chance to talk to him again. He says;
Plastic manifold 17+ engines will bolt right up pnp but aluminum intake manual trans engines need to swap cam gears and trigger wheel. They send a completely different signal.
Subaru technician said 17 plastic manifolds dont need to swap cam gears though, thats what im trying to find out before i pull timing cover off
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Subaru technician said 17 plastic manifolds dont need to swap cam gears though, thats what im trying to find out before i pull timing cover off

Pull one of the top cam sensors out then, peek through the hole. That should tell you what you have at least.
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Wondering drop in compatability as well, but my plan is to get a used motor and hand build it to spin up faster and have an 8krpm top end. Enhanced valve train compenents, Carillo H-rods, ARP hardware, good gaskets, and sealed up really well with RTV/bonding material to prevent valve cover leaks. Block and heads is what really matters to me anyways...intake can stay the same. A newer engine would be better, but don't think much has changed with the block and heads that would really effect anything...swap over sensors and intake to newer block/head and should be no issues. Did a ZC swap on a CRX Si years back that was pretty straight forward...not bad at all going to the DOHC motor from the stock SOHC one, very minimal wiring changes...
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Subaru technician said 17 plastic manifolds dont need to swap cam gears though, thats what im trying to find out before i pull timing cover off
did you ever get this straightened out? Try to confirm if a MY17+ AT engine is more direct swap than the MT
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What if I swap 17 engine into 13 with 17 ecu and harness. Will it work? Anyone know?
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