Eibach R2's installed... Buttonwillow this weekend.

[CounterSpace Garage]

Originally Posted by ayau

How can you quantify the quality of valving? Shock dynos?

Shock dynos certainly do quantify the performance of the shock very well, but it's not absolutely everything. There are some internal intricacies that are specific to each manufacturer that make the shock perform according to their target market, performance goals, tuning philosophies, and price point. Suspension is a black art. Everybody has their own method of tackling the same issue. That's why valving is where the magic lies.

I am fairly interested in a comparison test and it's not hard to get all the contenders in the same place especially at the FT86 Cup.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I thought the src normally came without springs? Regardless I assumed spring rates would be equal so you could truly compare just the stock damper itself. ie make everything else equal.

I here by nominate you as the coilover test co-ordinator!

[Jackson]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

lol obviously everyone will need springs

My point was the rates should be equal for any test if we really want to isolate the comparison solely to the damper itself. Let the same user setup both to their preferences.

I agree. Same car, same rates, same driver, same tires, same brakes, etc. It should be apples to apples for a true comparison.

Originally Posted by brianlo622

Mid March is when the product will be on the shelves correct? (assuming these are not built to order)

We should have these on our shelf as stock. However, we do have pre-orders piling up.

[ayau]

Can someone wake me up in 2 weeks?

[CSG Mike]

IMO, for a true apples to apples comparison, the ONLY difference should be the suspension.

Coilovers work as a system, so the springs can be whatever the coilovers come with. Just how SRCs wouldn't be properly valved for the R2's spring rates, the R2 wouldn't be properly valved for the SRC's spring rates.


You wouldn't force a vette to put on elise sized tires to get an apples to apples comparison of the two cars, would you? You'd probably equalize the tire compounds, and leave the sizes alone.

[RYU]

The fact is... given our circumstances it's very difficult to find two random forum members where the only difference in setup is the suspension (i.e apples to apples). I'd be satisfied hearing the cumulative, smart, and educated opinions from either Mike, Dave, and Jackson.

@Jackson - Any rough idea what has been the sales split between the R2s and R1s? Is like a 2 to 1 ratio or 1 to 1 or maybe something like 5 to 1 quantities ordered for R2s vs. R1s?

btw...I ended up ordering the R1s even though I really wanted the SRCs (budget limited). I did consider the R2s but at the end of the day I simply didn't feel I could use the added benefit for my limited uses for this car. All three seem to be quality units. I'm willing to offer up my 100% stock car (except for tires and suspension) for this "comparo". I've got a 6AT and only the R1s so off the bat it'll be slower but if the reviewer can articulate well enough the limitations/benefits it would still make for a useful discussion.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by RYU

The fact is... given our circumstances it's very difficult to find two random forum members where the only difference in setup is the suspension (i.e apples to apples). I'd be satisfied hearing the cumulative, smart, and educated opinions from either Mike, Dave, and Jackson.

@Jackson - Any rough idea what has been the sales split between the R2s and R1s? Is like a 2 to 1 ratio or 1 to 1 or maybe something like 5 to 1 quantities ordered for R2s vs. R1s?

btw...I ended up ordering the R1s even though I really wanted the SRCs (budget limited). I did consider the R2s but at the end of the day I simply didn't feel I could use the added benefit for my limited uses for this car. All three seem to be quality units.

I got the R2 because I didn't want to regret not getting them.

[RYU]

Originally Posted by ayau

I got the R2 because I didn't want to regret not getting them.

I don't blame you. I have the same mentality with my NSX. Not buying these awesome parts for my BRZ is a huge exercise in self control.

[swift996]

Yeah the R1s look like a great system and probably would have been enough for me. However, I went with the R2s in case there is enough of a performance margin.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by RYU

I've got a 6AT and only the R1s so off the bat it'll be slower but if the reviewer can articulate well enough the limitations/benefits it would still make for a useful discussion.

That's an extra ~100lbs weight on the car, not to mention the different ratios or anything else. Not the best car to compare to IMO, sorry.

[CSG Mike]

If anything, the automatics outnumber the manuals... :p

[RYU]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

That's an extra ~100lbs weight on the car, not to mention the different ratios or anything else. Not the best car to compare to IMO, sorry.

Well... yes, obviously. Yet we don't see many volunteers so I stepped up and attempted to provide a compromise so we can continue to move forward with this.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

If anything, the automatics outnumber the manuals... :p

At this rate we'll end up with a 6AT guy on SRCs vs. a 6AT guy on R2s! haha

[Jackson]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

IMO, for a true apples to apples comparison, the ONLY difference should be the suspension.

Coilovers work as a system, so the springs can be whatever the coilovers come with. Just how SRCs wouldn't be properly valved for the R2's spring rates, the R2 wouldn't be properly valved for the SRC's spring rates.

Originally Posted by CounterSpace Garage

Suspension is a black art. Everybody has their own method of tackling the same issue. That's why valving is where the magic lies.

The Eibach Multi Pro R2 coilovers are sold without springs. Just like the SRC can handle a wide range of rates, so can the R2s.

Eibach's philosophy has always been to improve performance while maintaining a streetable ride quality. I realize our rates are never going to be aggressive with our off-the-shelf kits. That's just how our engineers package the kits. Because of this I've set up pricing to sell the R2 shocks and springs separately so consumers can package their kits with what they want based on tires, brakes, aero, varying tracks, etc.

An actual shock/valving comparison would be ideal so the tester(s) can actually feel the difference in valving and adjustments. Since this is "where the magic lies" this is what I suggest. But that's just my two cents.

At the end of the day people are going to buy what they like. Some people may prefer green camber plates over red. And some people are going make anything they put on their car fast whether it's a one way or a triple way coilover.

[Jackson]

Originally Posted by RYU

@Jackson - Any rough idea what has been the sales split between the R2s and R1s? Is like a 2 to 1 ratio or 1 to 1 or maybe something like 5 to 1 quantities ordered for R2s vs. R1s?

It's hard to gauge this since both kits technically are not released. We have orders for both. I feel the R1 kit will probably end up selling more than the R2 just based on the price point and ease of use for the consumer.