Why ft-86 is interesting?

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Snaps

That does say struts up front.... But it also says 1000kg...

Just sayin'.

Making a new car with all standard safety features weight 1000kg is just a fantasy.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dark

I think New gen boxer doesn't equip with DI yet. How the he** is this guy claiming it is?
I didn't know about suspension tho.

Erm, That's an interview with the car's chief engineer. Remember that Toyota will be modifying the heads of whichever boxer engine they choose to use. so it really is fairly irrelevant that the new boxer engine uses DI or not. In fact, I distinctly remember him saying somewhere "we could be greedy and try to get 230ps.." but something with considerations for emissions and economy.

Originally Posted by Snaps

That does say struts up front.... But it also says 1000kg...

Just sayin'.

Granted, but that may have just been an overly ambitious initial target. Dig around the general section, there has been a lot of info with interviews and so on posted.

No need to get up in arms, lots of great handling cars use McPherson struts, and in the interest of cost and considerations for the width of the boxer engine, it is the most likely solution. Trust me, I'd be thrilled if the choose to use double wishbones up front, but I'd rather just expect the struts and be pleasantly surprised, than get my hopes up and be disappointed for no good reason.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Erm, That's an interview with the car's chief engineer. Remember that Toyota will be modifying the heads of whichever boxer engine they choose to use. so it really is fairly irrelevant that the new boxer engine uses DI or not. In fact, I distinctly remember him saying somewhere "we could be greedy and try to get 230ps.." but something with considerations for emissions and economy.

I was replying to overvolting dude.
I agree with you Matador, there is no such a thing as " no such a thing". make 200hp out of 2.0L NA isn't an impossible task for a big and full-of-technology automaker like Toyota. They just need some time.

[Snaps]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

No need to get up in arms, lots of great handling cars use McPherson struts, and in the interest of cost and considerations for the width of the boxer engine, it is the most likely solution. Trust me, I'd be thrilled if the choose to use double wishbones up front, but I'd rather just expect the struts and be pleasantly surprised, than get my hopes up and be disappointed for no good reason.

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see

Though MacPherson just means a strut bar will do more for handling compared to a double wishbone setup (because the shocks/springs exert a horizontal force too)!

But as for the cost, then why are they using DW on the rear? Considerations for the boxer is a fair enough point.

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251

aaaah i gotcha
cheers for that man

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Snaps

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see

Though MacPherson just means a strut bar will do more for handling compared to a double wishbone setup (because the shocks/springs exert a horizontal force too)!

But as for the cost, then why are they using DW on the rear? Considerations for the boxer is a fair enough point.

That is how the platform they are allegedly basing it on is already setup. DW rear, Struts up front.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

lol itchi join in u make some of the best posts ahhaha

I would but, I`m current in Japan and enjoying my vacation (driving touge here and there). When I come back, I`ll post like I used to... but til then

[Dark]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I would but, I`m current in Japan and enjoying my vacation (driving touge here and there). When I come back, I`ll post like I used to... but til then

Nah, It's just an excuse for being lazy..

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dark

Nah, It's just an excuse for being lazy..

true... true... can`t denied that

[Mouse]

Mazda set a goal of bringing the the next gen miata at or close to 2200 pounds.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/04/m...next-gen-mx-5/

[Chemist]

Oh god not this again. 200 hp was never confirmed, it's still a rumor. For the engine to make that it will have to rev high, and there's no indication yet it will do so. Otherwise, you will need to put out some major torque to get there, and I'm not sure that direct injection is that magical.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Chemist

Oh god not this again. 200 hp was never confirmed, it's still a rumor. For the engine to make that it will have to rev high, and there's no indication yet it will do so. Otherwise, you will need to put out some major torque to get there, and I'm not sure that direct injection is that magical.

Toyota Celica 1.8L pushing 190hp. I don't see why 2.0L boxer 4 with DI, which is developing by Toyota, can't make 200hp NA. If it's not 200hp, it should be close. It's a do or die goal for the car. If they can't do it, they should not bother making the car.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by Dark

Toyota Celica 1.8L pushing 190hp. I don't see why 2.0L boxer 4 with DI, which is developing by Toyota, can't make 200hp NA. If it's not 200hp, it should be close. It's a do or die goal for the car. If they can't do it, they should not bother making the car.

No, the Celica does not push 190 hp. I have the same engine (2zzge) in my car and we push around 170 hp (less to the wheels). In practice the Celica and XRS engines are very similar in peak horsepower. Rev limit is also around 8400 RPM so this engine screams.

My argument is not that it cannot attain 200 hp, it's that it will probably need either forced induction or a higher rev limit to do so. Here, I whipped up a graph for the torque/rpm requirements to produce 200 hp to give everyone an idea:

[alnano]

Originally Posted by Chemist

Oh god not this again. 200 hp was never confirmed, it's still a rumor. For the engine to make that it will have to rev high, and there's no indication yet it will do so. Otherwise, you will need to put out some major torque to get there, and I'm not sure that direct injection is that magical.

if the ft-86 is not 200+hp then that is a fail. I dont see how it could be called a (next gen) sports car?