Vacci-Nation [CLOSED DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL, INSULTING, POLITICAL POSTS

[Wally86]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

It's funny in a not at all 'funny' way when people conflate and confuse 'freedom' with choosing to not get vaccinated.

As I said before, this is not about someone's personal 'freedom'. Not getting vaccinated is not a ‘personal choice’. A personal choice is something that only affects you alone and no one else. Anyone can do whatever they want in a vacuum, but no one has the right to harm other people. Not getting vaccinated puts many people at risk of illness or death.

It’s like the difference between choosing to drive your car into a wall vs. driving the wrong way in the oncoming lane on the highway. The former might be your own personal choice to kill yourself. But the latter immorally puts many people at great risk against their will.

If you saw someone going the wrong way coming at you in your lane on the highway, you probably wouldn't cheer them on for exercising their personal 'freedom’. Not getting vaccinated forces a risk on anyone that a non-vaccinated person comes in contact with.

Unfortunately, this kind of thinking is why this country will never be rid of the coronavirus. Our future will be one of pandemic spikes and waves, variants coming and going, and fluctuating effectiveness of vaccines. Similar to what happens now with the flu, except that COVID carries a much higher risk of serious long-term health complications, and death.

As a society, we have accepted a high level of disease burden, and death, as being OK (see: Florida). Which I think says a lot about our morality, ethics, intelligence, and simply humanity. Or lack of it.

Nothing anyone does affects no one but themselves. I'd start there.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

These same people I'm talking about have repeatedly said they will never get the vaccine. One of them even told me that when no one was even talking to him (just overheard someone else talking to me about the vaccine).

Although, I wish I can say that their reasons are for not trusting it based on the development rate. Various reasons I've heard them say is the usual "tracking device blah blah," "don't want to be controlled by the government," "no benefit to it," "what's the point when a booster is needed."

Even among the most staunch members of the tin foil hat club in my circle, I have not heard tracking device or gov control. They just say they don't think they need it They are more into the whole we are being lied to about it's origins in which I say have at it, because it doesn't really matter now that it is here.

I do have some older Hispanic dudes at work who also feel the same way because they have never had a vaccine of any type in their life.

One older lady who is in terrible health doesn't want it because she doesn't like needles.

I have only had 1 person on the fringe of my group of friends(friend of a friend deal) that believe in the conspiracy theory's.

I guess I am pretty lucky.

[TylerLieberman]

Lol jfc this thread is wild

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Even among the most staunch members of the tin foil hat club in my circle, I have not heard tracking device or gov control. They just say they don't think they need it They are more into the whole we are being lied to about it's origins in which I say have at it, because it doesn't really matter now that it is here.

I do have some older Hispanic dudes at work who also feel the same way because they have never had a vaccine of any type in their life.

One older lady who is in terrible health doesn't want it because she doesn't like needles.

I have only had 1 person on the fringe of my group of friends(friend of a friend deal) that believe in the conspiracy theory's.

I guess I am pretty lucky.

One person tested positive. One of the people I mentioned said he doesn't believe that person got covid because that person wasn't coughing.

Several of the people I mentioned said they don't think covid is serious because they don't know anyone personally who has gotten it (already disregarding the person who tested positive mentioned earlier). Someone told them that his aunt and uncle passed away due to covid and walked away. They then said, "still, I don't know anyone who did."

It is mind boggling hearing these people on an almost daily basis. Glad you don't have to deal with it.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

This is what happens when an imbecile (Ron DeSantis) ignores science and common sense, and people go along with it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fl...out&li=BBnb7Kz

UGH! Soon Florida may have its very own variant -

[Lantanafrs2]

Most of what I've heard is just distrust of government. I will say that I'm gonna have to do a walk in as I applied for an appointment almost 2 months ago and haven't heard anything.

[Lantanafrs2]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...day/index.html

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

I do think people should have a right to choose what they want or not want injected into their body, lol. It's a sad day when I even need to say that. I guess we gave up all our other rights already this is probably next on the list.

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Too late -

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...day/index.html

Would be nice if we can get there sooner, but like he said, "as more people are vaccinated."

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Most of what I've heard is just distrust of government. I will say that I'm gonna have to do a walk in as I applied for an appointment almost 2 months ago and haven't heard anything.

Yeah, my parents had to check appointments for clinics every week or something like that. Apparently the application system in Florida does nothing. There was some sort of special time window where everything reset and you could get a booking, but I forget what that was.

[wbradley]

Interesting how differently some places have approached this pandemic.

Florida not requiring masks and business as usual. Keeps the economy on a less apocalyptic course but puts more humans in a real apocalypse. Sacrificial behaviour for what they believe is the overall best. Politics plays strongly, the louder voices win. Businesses stay open and attempt to carry on undisturbed.

Here in Ontario (southern, anyway) all retail and restaurants are closed except takeout and necessity. The lockdowns have killed retail businesses for sure. Even with the federal government issuing payments to business owners for rent there is still no income for months at a stretch for many people. And a very significant percentage of those businesses cease to exist. It is really is a big reset for so many, especially restaurants and street level shops. Will our approach turn out better? Probably not due to our premier (governor) reacting with 2-4 week delays with the various restrictions despite the advice of the health care professionals. We had let all our PPE stockpile put aside after SARS expire. Toronto being one of the places that had a SARS outbreak in the early 2000's, there was a stockpile set aside, then forgotten about and much had been sent to disposal before Jan 2020.

The longterm care home issues that were exposed should at the very least result in better preparedness going forward, I hope.

So, is it right to kill your economy as they have done here locally in order to keep the virus out? Or, do as Florida has, keep it rolling and see increased deaths? I think the former, if it is done effectively, but if it isn't effective it's just adding to the misery. I think that in Ontario the hesitancy to act in a very timely matter and not leave many loopholes has made this financial sacrifice far less effective than it should be. Will governments learn?
I have witnessed vaccine apathy, where the shot it available but people just don't bother going online and scheduling a shot. This is where I think a vaccine passport is necessary and it should be announced well in advance what some of the framework should be. Some people simply won't act unless they fear losing something. In this case, their freedom to move about as they would otherwise.

[wbradley]

This

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Lol jfc this thread is wild

Nah. It's pretty normal

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Florida not requiring masks and business as usual. Keeps the economy on a less apocalyptic course but puts more humans in a real apocalypse. Sacrificial behaviour for what they believe is the overall best. Politics plays strongly, the louder voices win. Businesses stay open and attempt to carry on undisturbed.

Not sure I follow this. I visited Florida on 6 different occasions during the last 18 months, and each time there was a full mask mandate in place (at least in the municipalities where I stayed) and there was near 100% compliance indoors. Any restaurant I went to had limited seating and some were doing carry-out only.