|
FR-S / BRZ vs.... Area to discuss the FR-S/BRZ against its competitors [NO STREET RACING] |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
01-29-2020, 02:38 PM | #15 | |
JDM Vaping Stance Nation
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2013 White
Location: FL
Posts: 710
Thanks: 647
Thanked 345 Times in 218 Posts
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Agree with you there. The 17+ cars have better suspension setup, being that they are newer makes sense since they can refine it. HRI Tuning has had trouble with 17+ cars going FI though, the engine's rods notably. Like you said, if you plan to stay NA go with the newer.
__________________
Clueless
|
|
01-29-2020, 03:16 PM | #16 |
Regional Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2012
Drives: 13' ZN6 / 00' AP1 / 20' A90/ 15 EVO
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,629
Thanks: 85
Thanked 1,275 Times in 854 Posts
Mentioned: 307 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I owned a 13 Frs and I can say. i'm much happier in the s2000. but i do regret selling the frs. it was just more of a car i could use on a day to day basis.
|
01-29-2020, 09:13 PM | #17 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Drives: FR-S 10 Series
Location: NY
Posts: 1,062
Thanks: 615
Thanked 347 Times in 251 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I had a 2006 Civic Si (original owner) and traded it in for my 2013 10 Series (original owner).
The Alcantara seats on the Si were superior. Handling on the FR-S is better. Shifting on the FR-S is better because it's not notchy in the least and never prone to occasional grinding like the Si (transmissions were never one of Honda's strengths). V-Tech makes you feel like you're faster and the lack of the twins' torque dip just reinforces that. Si back seat was more comfortable. Clutch is pretty much the same. FR-S looks more sporty and being built from the ground up makes it unique whereas I hated people thinking the Si is just a Civic with a MTX. Always felt the Si would end up chopped and sold for parts to riceboys (happened all the time). Hated posers that would change a muffler tip, rims, and slap on a Si badge. Si has more OEM accessories. Aftermarket parts are comparable and plentiful. Never worried about the engine due to Honda's stellar reliability, whereas the boxer engine is not exactly typical and some variants are reliability nightmares. I had a RX-7 that I loved but I will never get a car with such a dramatically unconventional engine. I like how the Si is a complete Honda product (except for the notchy MTX) and Honda did promote it where Toyota and Subaru treat the twins like they don't exist. Si can't drift and the paint was pathetic. |
The Following User Says Thank You to dnieves For This Useful Post: | JesseG (01-30-2020) |
01-30-2020, 02:28 PM | #18 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2019
Drives: 2016 Scion FR-S
Location: Dallas
Posts: 806
Thanks: 2,685
Thanked 393 Times in 266 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
It was absolutely terrifying back in the day the threat of Honda’s being stolen. All of my friends with a performance Honda had either parts stolen off the car or the entire car stolen. My buddy with a ITR wouldn’t park anywhere he couldn’t easily see the car. It was crazy.
I know Honda manual transmissions are usually considered some of the best, like in the S2000 and ITR. The 86 is pretty close, like others have said it’s not quite as smooth shifting, but it’s direct and mechanical. All of the cars mentioned take some warming up to feel the best, and they can be temperamental. I suppose that is the price for affordable performance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
02-04-2020, 02:31 AM | #19 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S)
Location: USA
Posts: 5,794
Thanks: 2,164
Thanked 4,242 Times in 2,220 Posts
Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
To give you a sense of what the powerband is like, here's a dyno of an e85-tuned BRZ. Notice it holds 150+ lbs-ft (or more) of torque from 4000-7000 RPM. That's actually a wider powerband at the top end than an AP1 S2000, for reference. Here's another thread with an e85 dyno, this one holding 160 lbs-ft from 4000-7000 rpm. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1499241
__________________
"Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time."
2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build |
|
05-14-2020, 08:51 AM | #20 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Drives: 2022 BRZ sport-tech
Location: Canada
Posts: 395
Thanks: 344
Thanked 185 Times in 116 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
I have now owned the BRZ for 6 months and put on 5k kms, fun kms as they are mostly put on for random drives during the lock down. I can confirm the car’s speed is very similar, maybe slightly faster, than the 8th gen SI. It’s just the way the power is delivered is not very exciting. The car is easier to drive around town because of the available torque down low. But the highlight of the car is the chassis. It turns very well and very S2000 like on the street but with a safety net of electronics. I also found the factory Michelins matching the stock car very well for street use. With better tires, the speeds to have fun on public roads will be insanely high.
__________________
Daijiro Katoh - Champion Forever!
Past: 92 EG w/JDM B18C, 00 EK w/JDM B18C, 04 600RR, 97 ITR #421, 10 Acura CSX-S, 17 BRZ Current: 22 BRZ, 00 S2K - #0220 Last edited by Petah78; 05-14-2020 at 01:18 PM. |
|
05-14-2020, 10:12 AM | #21 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S)
Location: USA
Posts: 5,794
Thanks: 2,164
Thanked 4,242 Times in 2,220 Posts
Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
I think need more seat time in the AP2 to understand the excitement comparison, or better yet drive one at the track. My initial impression from the canyons is I liked the sound of the AP2 better, but I preferred the power delivery of the FA20 on e85 (at least in the canyons) because the powerband is broader (4500-7500 RPM). I actually came away thinking I might like the F20C over the F22C for that very reason.
__________________
"Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time."
2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build |
|
05-15-2020, 07:43 AM | #22 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Drives: 2022 BRZ sport-tech
Location: Canada
Posts: 395
Thanks: 344
Thanked 185 Times in 116 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
- The unwillingness to rev as the rpm climbs. It just feels like the engine is struggling harder and harder as you push it. - The torque curve. You get a shit load of torque in the lower part of the revs and you would expect this sensation to increase as rev climbs. Instead, it’s the exact opposite which is further exaggerated by the torque dip. - The sound it makes is not particularly good/desirable. When compared to the Honda power plants, everything I have listed above this is the exact opposite. When “VTEC hits yo”, it just keeps pulling all the way to limiter. Engine sounds great as it’s pushed. Just gives you a better overall sensory experience. I think savagegeese was bang on with his assessment: “great car with the wrong engine”.
__________________
Daijiro Katoh - Champion Forever!
Past: 92 EG w/JDM B18C, 00 EK w/JDM B18C, 04 600RR, 97 ITR #421, 10 Acura CSX-S, 17 BRZ Current: 22 BRZ, 00 S2K - #0220 |
|
05-15-2020, 01:07 PM | #23 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S)
Location: USA
Posts: 5,794
Thanks: 2,164
Thanked 4,242 Times in 2,220 Posts
Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
__________________
"Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time."
2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build |
|
05-16-2020, 08:51 AM | #24 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Drives: 2022 BRZ sport-tech
Location: Canada
Posts: 395
Thanks: 344
Thanked 185 Times in 116 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Right, as I have never driven a E85/tuned 86 car either so maybe your experiences wouldn't be quite the same as mine. I do see your point of a narrower powerband but I have an AP1 that revs to 9k so I have less of a problem than an untuned AP2 (revs to 8k). I think overall, the general speed on/off track is very similar between the 2 cars. But my knock on the FA20 is not about the speed/power, it's about the amount of fun and overall satisfaction that the F20/F22 provides when compared to the FA20. Again, the 86 provides a very complete package, especially at the price point. I just wished the powerplant was more exciting.
__________________
Daijiro Katoh - Champion Forever!
Past: 92 EG w/JDM B18C, 00 EK w/JDM B18C, 04 600RR, 97 ITR #421, 10 Acura CSX-S, 17 BRZ Current: 22 BRZ, 00 S2K - #0220 |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Petah78 For This Useful Post: | DarkSunrise (05-16-2020) |
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Calling all HONDA HEADS! | TouchMyHonda | Off-Topic Lounge [WARNING: NO POLITICS] | 4 | 07-25-2012 09:11 AM |
Calling dealers and offering $3,000 below invoice... | Elgancho | BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics | 2 | 07-10-2012 01:31 PM |
Calling for a SF bay Area FR-S owner to help R&D parts | Alliedforces86 | Southern California | 5 | 07-07-2012 01:22 PM |
Calling all wheel nuts. | Staticfrost | AUSTRALIA | 90 | 06-13-2012 09:33 AM |
calling ya local dealer | Slide | AUSTRALIA | 147 | 12-30-2011 01:10 AM |