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Old 03-16-2021, 07:09 AM   #76203
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Night two of being unable to sleep easily. I did have some caffeine in the late afternoon / early evening but it’s probably just moving stress. ��
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Old 03-16-2021, 07:32 AM   #76204
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Night two of being unable to sleep easily. I did have some caffeine in the late afternoon / early evening but it’s probably just moving stress. ��

Chamomile tea (No caffeine) will relax you at night and help you sleep. I give it to Mrs. Mafia whenever she has decided to not take her anxiety medicine anymore. Always works.
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Old 03-16-2021, 07:58 AM   #76205
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It’s honestly a very interesting situation to consider.

I mean, just in the last two to three hundred years you had American explorers who went out west toward the US west coast, and some lived out in the prairies and stuff. They probably had basically nobody for miles of farm land and fields or whatever. Maybe they had a town several miles away but it’s not like they’d constantly be there unless they specifically were selling crops or whatever.

So they must’ve been relatively okay on their own.

But with humans these days so spoiled with sprawling urban centers and instant communication even with the internet for far off friends and relatives, it’s so different. Could we revert back to that kind of isolated living?
Even then many died, went insane or went back. You just don't hear about the ones that returned. The number of people that were migrating was just so huge that even if 80% turned back it would still be a massive influx. The majority were no better at living in isolation back then than most people would be now. Many of the ones that did make it came from places where they had always been in isolation anyway so it wasn't a big deal.
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This is something that I think of with regards to disaster movies. There are the survivors at the end of the movie but the whole world as they know it no longer exists. Do they all suffer from emotional breakdown 6 days, 6 weeks, 6 months after the end of the movie?
A friend of mine tells me that was a occurrence in some Netflix zombie series. Some people couldn't handle the new world.
The ones that can't handle it simply die. The rest are so busy surviving that they just don't have time for emotional breakdowns.
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Even then many died, went insane or went back. You just don't hear about the ones that returned. The number of people that were migrating was just so huge that even if 80% turned back it would still be a massive influx. The majority were no better at living in isolation back then than most people would be now. Many of the ones that did make it came from places where they had always been in isolation anyway so it wasn't a big deal.
I didn't know you were around back then! You are almost as old as humfrz.
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Old 03-16-2021, 08:56 AM   #76209
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This is something that I think of with regards to disaster movies. There are the survivors at the end of the movie but the whole world as they know it no longer exists. Do they all suffer from emotional breakdown 6 days, 6 weeks, 6 months after the end of the movie?
A friend of mine tells me that was a occurrence in some Netflix zombie series. Some people couldn't handle the new world.
This actually reminds me of an idea I had a long time ago, in which a movie or book follows a character after a traumatizing event. Whether it be a world-altering storm, alien invasion, serial killer attack, ect. Like it's something I've always wanted to explore; the psychological or physiological effects.
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Even then many died, went insane or went back. You just don't hear about the ones that returned. The number of people that were migrating was just so huge that even if 80% turned back it would still be a massive influx. The majority were no better at living in isolation back then than most people would be now. Many of the ones that did make it came from places where they had always been in isolation anyway so it wasn't a big deal.
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Please be careful with the breadth of the brush you use to paint "educated" people. And try to be a little more specific about the definition of "educated." I admit I probably fit most of those definitions and freely admit that a fair number of my colleagues were and remain pretty insufferable. No doubt, many of them would say the same thing about me. That said, some of us are not that bad.

My big problem with some to many in the "un-educated" community is simple, uncritical ( let's call it "fuzzy") thinking. This leads to a greater vulnerability to being taken in by hucksters and bullshit artists than their more educated fellows and then stampeded into bad decisions. Again, that, too is a broad brush, but critical thinking is 1) uniquely important in overcoming the organized disinformation campaigns that are endemic to complex societies and 2) difficult to master and practice.

The odds are pretty heavily stacked against of any of us being able to retreat into the 19th century or the 12th or the 6th. We probably need to make the best of the world we live in and in my considered opinion, the more educated we are the more likely our species is to be around in the 23rd century.
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Please be careful with the breadth of the brush you use to paint "educated" people. And try to be a little more specific about the definition of "educated." I admit I probably fit most of those definitions and freely admit that a fair number of my colleagues were and remain pretty insufferable. No doubt, many of them would say the same thing about me. That said, some of us are not that bad.

My big problem with some to many in the "un-educated" community is simple, uncritical ( let's call it "fuzzy") thinking. This leads to a greater vulnerability to being taken in by hucksters and bullshit artists than their more educated fellows and then stampeded into bad decisions. Again, that, too is a broad brush, but critical thinking is 1) uniquely important in overcoming the organized disinformation campaigns that are endemic to complex societies and 2) difficult to master and practice.

The odds are pretty heavily stacked against of any of us being able to retreat into the 19th century or the 12th or the 6th. We probably need to make the best of the world we live in and in my considered opinion, the more educated we are the more likely our species is to be around in the 23rd century.
Someone can be educated and still be an idiot. Likewise there are plenty of people who are not educated but have good critical thinking skills.
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Someone can be educated and still be an idiot. Likewise there are plenty of people who are not educated but have good critical thinking skills.
This is very true, depending on your definitions of 'educated" and "idiot." And, in my view that is one of the key problems with fuzzy thinking. People get sloppy with definitions. To many people it sounds pedantic, but without an agreed upon vocabulary we're just making sounds with little to no, or even worse, distorted meaning. For example, one of the things we're talking about is "education." But I'll bet we are not all talking about the same thing.

The keys to critical thinking are, 1. insisting on clear definitions, 2. asking questions, 3. demanding answers, 4. listening to those answers and examining them for internal and external consistency, 5. examining your own thoughts and beliefs for flaws, internal and external consistency, 6. mental flexibility, 7. HEALTHY skepticism, 8. avoiding dogmatism, and a number of other things.

Anyone can learn and practice these things. And as with all skills some are more gifted at it than are others. But, the key to my argument is that, done right (a big deal) formal education forces people to engage with, practice, and hopefully, hone those skills.

It is my position that, although "education" is a requirement for critical thinking , formal education is not. It does, however, facilitate its development.
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