Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen?

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dake

I suspect there are more out there that would not have bought it as a two seater than there are those who didn't buy it b/c it's a 2+2.

yup, that was one reason i got it, it actually seats more than 2.

Plenty of other 2 seaters out there if i wanted...although they are all probably way more expensive as well.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I like how you kept the roofline into the trunk the same. It kicks the trunk lid up a bit from the haunches like a Z4 coupe.

2(4,6,8)0Z

[CincyJohn]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

yup, that was one reason i got it, it actually seats more than 2.

Plenty of other 2 seaters out there if i wanted...although they are all probably way more expensive as well.

I'm in that group as well. I was considering any small, 2 door, rear wheel drive, manual with some sort of a back seat at least somewhat affordable. Not many cars in that criteria. I pretty much determined my only choices were BMW (2 or 4) or this car.

[RippedManiac]

Originally Posted by PBR

I did get annoyed at some of the ignorant posts and trolled a bit. Again, I apologize. Sincerely.

Its not ignorant if its facts Truth hurts, I know.

Originally Posted by m.box.design

This. I paid mine off 4 years ago. Feels great not to have a car payment. Upgraded to paying a mortgage instead.

You sir/madam are playing victim. You must spend your money to impress and seek approval of people you don't like on the internet. Fuck the mortgage. The new car will be everything you ever wanted and more and justifies any and all financial/life repercussions. Your better half will definitely not divorce you and take the kids because they cant help but be blown away by the car.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I agree, from what I've seen, it all boils down to whether you like the looks of the new one or not, which I don't.

I saw one in the wild at a dealership in the last few days. Seeing it in person just cemented my already stated dislike for the design changes. The interior is nice though.

I like the Toyota's front bumper this time around. Matches well with the vent behind the front tires. I'd get it in Red.

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by CincyJohn

I'm in that group as well. I was considering any small, 2 door, rear wheel drive, manual with some sort of a back seat at least somewhat affordable. Not many cars in that criteria. I pretty much determined my only choices were BMW (2 or 4) or this car.

Me too. Have two kids and did not want to have to go home first to switch cars to pick them up. Needed that back seat every once and awhile.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

That’s hilarious.

That car ends up being the ultimate drift car off all time, and the twins get shit for it. Sounds about right. This car was always kind of the fun red headed stepchild of the enthusiast world. Everyone admits they’re fun, but always with a ton of caveats and buts.

MOPED!

She's fun to ride, but you don't want your friends to know.

The only but I heard was about power. Shrug. The twin issue has never been with power. The issue has always been. Um. People complaining.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

To each his own. To me, it looks perfect.

I’ll see your S15 and raise you an FD RX7, better proportions and perfect 50/50 weight distribution too I believe.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

I’ll see your S15 and raise you an FD RX7, better proportions and perfect 50/50 weight distribution too I believe.

That’s much easier to achieve given the rotary. It weighs 150lbs less than an FA motor, and it can be moved more aft because it’s so small. Also keep in mind that the RX-7 functionally doesn’t have a back seat. The BRZ’s back seat area is massive compared to the FD’s.

I’m not convinced the initial FT86 design team was shooting for a 50/50 distribution. They wanted to build a drifty car that overwhelms its rear tires easily. Copying the distribution of the S15 and building a ton of anti squat into the rear suspension would both limit the amount of power you can put down, effectively what they were going for.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

That’s much easier to achieve given the rotary. It weighs 150lbs less than an FA motor, and it can be moved more aft because it’s so small. Also keep in mind that the RX-7 functionally doesn’t have a back seat. The BRZ’s back seat area is massive compared to the FD’s.

I’m not convinced the initial FT86 design team was shooting for a 50/50 distribution. They wanted to build a drifty car that overwhelms its rear tires easily. Copying the distribution of the S15 and building a ton of anti squat into the rear suspension would both limit the amount of power you can put down, effectively what they were going for.

True about the rotary engine. The JDM versions have 2 useless back seats like the BRZ, so probably a tie there. I was more thinking side profile, I think the FD’s wheel base vs bumper overhang ratio is spot on. Probably my favourite looking car. Unfortunately cost of buying one here is $80K to well over $100K and you need to be a mechanical engineer to keep it on the road, plus ongoing maintenance costs puts me off.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

The JDM versions have 2 useless back seats like the BRZ, so probably a tie there.

It can’t possibly be a tie. As much as people like to joke the back seat is useless, the BRZ’s backseat is functional. I wouldn’t put people over 5’8” back there for a 3 hour drive, but they work fine for short trips and shorter people. look how much more room the BRZ has from the seat back to the front of the rear wheel:

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

yup, that was one reason i got it, it actually seats more than 2.

Plenty of other 2 seaters out there if i wanted...although they are all probably way more expensive as well.

My wife and tried it out in the showroom - me in drivers side rear seat, her in drivers seat. The driving position was cramped for her and I was fairly contorted, but 4 people our size could travel for 30 minutes or so in the car under emergency circumstances. The smaller the better. She's 5'11" and I'm 6'2" lol

[NoHaveMSG]

What's worse though? The poor weight distribution or mac strut

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

It can’t possibly be a tie. As much as people like to joke the back seat is useless, the BRZ’s backseat is functional. I wouldn’t put people over 5’8” back there for a 3 hour drive, but they work fine for short trips and shorter people. look how much more room the BRZ has from the seat back to the front of the rear wheel:

Considering the OEM rear seats for an FD. It's more of a win for the BRZ. The FD seats look like a pair of small dog beds. Hilarious in how they look given what they're apparently meant for, but it might as well not be a 2+2.

In fairness the Mk IV Supra OEM rear seats are similar though they look more shallow and less like a butt bucket. Lexus SC on the other hand, that one looked decent.

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[PBR]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

That’s much easier to achieve given the rotary. It weighs 150lbs less than an FA motor, and it can be moved more aft because it’s so small. Also keep in mind that the RX-7 functionally doesn’t have a back seat. The BRZ’s back seat area is massive compared to the FD’s.

I’m not convinced the initial FT86 design team was shooting for a 50/50 distribution. They wanted to build a drifty car that overwhelms its rear tires easily. Copying the distribution of the S15 and building a ton of anti squat into the rear suspension would both limit the amount of power you can put down, effectively what they were going for.

I think you might be right. With the engine that far forward, higher polar moment of inertia vs a front/mid engine or mid engine placement. And with a long wheelbase, part or the reason these things love opposite lock.