Anyone not buying to avoid early issues like 1st gen FRS?

[wbradley]

Awww come on, play along!

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Did you drop your /s?

Toyota said from the beginning they would do yearly changes on the Supra à la GTR. Combine that with the fact that the Z4 had the 385hp motor in the first model year, and nobody was surprised that the Supra got it the year after. They bumped the boost from 12 to 14 PSI, that’s trivial. Earlier BMW turbo motors (N54) run 8PSI stock but they will run 15PSI all day long.

On what planet do you plan on getting 262hp from a 2.4l NA motor that passes global emissions? You’d need 14.5/1 compression, cause it’s not like the motor keeps making power from raising the redline. You can quote me, this will not happen with the BRZ/GR86.

Aww come on, play along with me! lol

I also heard the 2nd MY will be getting the McIntosh system as shown. They will need to remove weight somewhere to compensate, though.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Aww come on, play along with me! lol

I also heard the 2nd MY will be getting the McIntosh system as shown. They will need to remove weight somewhere to compensate, though.

Ugh, I should have known

Sad thing is, after all the rabid posting how the twins WILL GET A TURBO IN 2014/15/16/17/definitely 2018, I don’t doubt people think this is possible ‘cause the Supra did’. There are so many people calling the GR86 the baby supra already, the lines are easy to draw from here.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Ugh, I should have known

Sad thing is, after all the rabid posting how the twins WILL GET A TURBO IN 2014/15/16/17/definitely 2018, I don’t doubt people think this is possible ‘cause the Supra did’. There are so many people calling the GR86 the baby supra already, the lines are easy to draw from here.

Awesome car that Supra, except it has one fatal flaw that will prevent me from considering purchasing now or any time. I'll give you a hint, I do most of my driving in my FR-S, windows both all the way down. I suppose BMW staff were probably snickering if/when they drove it. The infotainment being 1 gen behind the Z4 is no biggie but not this one. I would actually be impressed if Toyota developed a remedy to this, or a revision to remedy this at some point if they could. Otherwise it's probably an amazing ownership experience and possibly not a deal breaker for lots of other people.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Awesome car that Supra, except it has one fatal flaw that will prevent me from considering purchasing now or any time. I'll give you a hint, I do most of my driving in my FR-S, windows both all the way down. I suppose BMW staff were probably snickering if/when they drove it. The infotainment being 1 gen behind the Z4 is no biggie but not this one. I would actually be impressed if Toyota developed a remedy to this, or a revision to remedy this at some point if they could. Otherwise it's probably an amazing ownership experience and possibly not a deal breaker for lots of other people.

https://www.verus-engineering.com/sh...ota-supra-1471

Not sure why Toyota didn’t catch this when they designed the exterior, but at least there’s a simple fix.

Now that lack of manual on the other hand, that’s my dealbreaker.

[wbradley]

Interesting, if it is fully effective. Otherwise last car I experienced really heavy window buffeting was probably in my father's Chev Biscayne in the early 70's driving over the Burlington Skyway. It was considered acceptable back then. I was so happy when that car got stolen in T.O., but then it was recovered a week later in Ottawa backed on to the bank of the Rideau. lol


Like this, but without the Cragars, lol.

[Blighty]

The only reason I would not buy the first edition is to buy a special edition with a cooler colour!

I think I'll probably just tell my dealer to hold a place for me to trade me up into the final edition when its available.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

That's one of the silliest things I've heard on here. The 2nd gen got only a slight bump in power despite a new powerplant with way more displacement...u think u can squeeze more power out if that POS Subaru motor without a turbo? And of course all 86 fanboys oppose of a turbo becos it will "spoil" the car whatever that means

You're still here because....of course you are......

I'd think the turbo situation is more they'd have to reroute all the turbo plumbing in the FA24 to get it to work in the BRZ since they likely can't drop the existing FA24 turbo into it because it wont fit properly without changes to the turbo hardware or the engine bay.

Is it worth doing that to the low volume sports car and achieve what would likely be the same or similar power figures as the existing FA24 turbo found in a more volume selling car?

They just keep spewing the PR drivel of "linear, N/A power, turbo costs more, etc" just so they can justify not turboing it. And there are people out there who eat that up.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

You're still here because....of course you are......

I'd think the turbo situation is more they'd have to reroute all the turbo plumbing in the FA24 to get it to work in the BRZ since they likely can't drop the existing FA24 turbo into it because it wont fit properly without changes to the turbo hardware or the engine bay.

Is it worth doing that to the low volume sports car and achieve what would likely be the same or similar power figures as the existing FA24 turbo found in a more volume selling car?

They just keep spewing the PR drivel of "linear, N/A power, turbo costs more, etc" just so they can justify not turboing it. And there are people out there who eat that up.

I honestly think they cannot cool a F/I setup to OEM standards in this small engine bay. They didn’t add the oil cooler to the GR86BRZ because it didn’t need it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I honestly think they cannot cool a F/I setup to OEM standards in this small engine bay. They didn’t add the oil cooler to the GR86BRZ because it didn’t need it.

The car was never designed for FI from the start and heat is certainly a factor. They always have said they will never go turbo. Not sure how it is a surprise to anybody that it is not set up for nor "easy" for them to do it and meet the demands they need to meet.
Sure you can slap one into it but that does not mean they can.
As I have said 1,000 times there will never be a factory turbo Twin no matter what the internet armchair experts may think.

[Ash_89]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

https://www.verus-engineering.com/sh...ota-supra-1471

Not sure why Toyota didn’t catch this when they designed the exterior, but at least there’s a simple fix.

Now that lack of manual on the other hand, that’s my dealbreaker.

The E46 M3 I believe had rear windows that opened away (as opposed to slide down) to presumably deal with buffeting that coupes would face with the windows down.

@7:49

[RToyo86]

I'd rather not have a boosted FA powerplant if it's anything like the FA20DIT In the WRX.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ash_89

The E46 M3 I believe had rear windows that opened away (as opposed to slide down) to presumably deal with buffeting that coupes would face with the windows down.

@7:49

Side opening windows are almost always more of a case of not enough space below them to have roll down. This is especially an issue with coupes.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Side opening windows are almost always more of a case of not enough space below them to have roll down. This is especially an issue with coupes.

But the convertible had sliding rear side windows. The pop out ones were probably just used because they’re cheaper. No regulator, and the pop out mechanism was used in a bunch of 90s coupes and hatches, probably because A/C wasn’t standard on most cars. The next 3 series coupe they just made the rear side windows fixed.