2022 Nissan Z Coupe

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Rampage

I have seen at least one source projecting an estimated sticker price of $45K. For that price, it better be 400HP with performance on par with the Supra, Cayman and BMW M2.

I'd take 300hp at <3000 lb. over Supra, Cayman, M2, etc. Unfortunately it'll prolly be closer to 3300 lb. or more...

Renderings look good anyway! We shall see how (if?) this progresses...

[Rampage]

Yeah, I would like to see a return to somewhere around the Datsun 240Z curb weight but Nissan has been the antithesis of lightweight sporty cars for the last couple decades.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Yeah, I would like to see a return to somewhere around the Datsun 240Z curb weight but Nissan has been the antithesis of lightweight sporty cars for the last couple decades.

You think they can make that weight with all of today's technology and safety tech?

It'd be lucky to be less than 3000 lbs unless they cheap the hell out of it to subcompact levels of fit and finish or make the car smaller.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Yeah, I would like to see a return to somewhere around the Datsun 240Z curb weight but Nissan has been the antithesis of lightweight sporty cars for the last couple decades.

!!!
240Z was just a hair over 2,200 lbs, that'd be 100 lbs lighter then a new Miata.

Maybe you meant 240sx? At ~2,800 lbs that's far more achievable especially with the outdated truck engines Nissan has to choose from. But they'll use their Infiniti platform which is far from light, ~3,700 lbs for the Q50/Q60 right now.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Why would it have a 300HP twin turbo V6 (bottom illustration) when the 370Z has a V6 that makes 332HP in NA form?

Because what others have said, plus the car doesn’t need more horsepower than that to sell. The 350Z had less power than the top trim of the 300ZX, so there is a precedence for back peddling on power, luxury, complexity, etc.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

You think they can make that weight with all of today's technology and safety tech?
It'd be lucky to be less than 3000 lbs unless they cheap the hell out of it to subcompact levels of fit and finish or make the car smaller.

Imagine if they'd just replicate (or borrow!) the FT86 platform, shorten it a good 10" by losing the rear seats and shoving the rear wheels forward, and plopping a 330ish hp Infiniti V6 into it. There you go, perfect modern Z at ~2800 lb., 50/50 weight distribution, and power/weight on par with the '21 Supra.

That'd be about perfect for me. No, that's not what's going to happen, but it *is* perfectly possible given the will to do it.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Imagine if they'd just replicate (or borrow!) the FT86 platform, shorten it a good 10" by losing the rear seats and shoving the rear wheels forward, and plopping a 330ish hp Infiniti V6 into it. There you go, perfect modern Z at ~2800 lb., 50/50 weight distribution, and power/weight on par with the '21 Supra.

That'd be about perfect for me. No, that's not what's going to happen, but it *is* perfectly possible given the will to do it.

If they could undercut the Supra by keeping the quality on par with the 86 and the price around $32-34k then it’ll be a hit, even if they have an underpowered/overbuilt 300hp tunable engine.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Yeah, I would like to see a return to somewhere around the Datsun 240Z curb weight but Nissan has been the antithesis of lightweight sporty cars for the last couple decades.

What sub 3300 lb 2 seater with 300+ hp has been cheaper than the 350Z/370Z? I can't think of one.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

What sub 3300 lb 2 seater with 300+ hp has been cheaper than the 350Z/370Z? I can't think of one.

Nothing is cheaper than a Nissan..

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[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Imagine if they'd just replicate (or borrow!) the FT86 platform, shorten it a good 10" by losing the rear seats and shoving the rear wheels forward, and plopping a 330ish hp Infiniti V6 into it. There you go, perfect modern Z at ~2800 lb., 50/50 weight distribution, and power/weight on par with the '21 Supra.

That'd be about perfect for me. No, that's not what's going to happen, but it *is* perfectly possible given the will to do it.

Its not impossible, but its highly unrealistic.

"hey we made the next Z car 2700 lbs, with a 350hp TT V6, 6 speed gearbox and all the luxuries and tech you expect from a modern car! It only costs 80 grand because the R&D was ridiculous to find the weight savings and have the chassis not to fold itself into a pretzel when the car is pushed hard! But we did it!!! Its the car that we deserve, but the car that we cant afford!"

Take a Supra 4cyl, which is somewhere around 3100lbs.
Its already removed some stuff from the 6cyl (which is around 3400lbs)

What could you possibly do to that car to save another 300-400lbs at that point without resorting to carbon fibre or more aluminum bits?

[ZDan]

Did you pay any attention at all to what I suggested? Answer: no, you did not...

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Its not impossible, but its highly unrealistic.

"hey we made the next Z car 2700 lbs, with a 350hp TT V6, 6 speed gearbox and all the luxuries and tech you expect from a modern car! It only costs 80 grand because the R&D was ridiculous to find the weight savings and have the chassis not to fold itself into a pretzel when the car is pushed hard! But we did it!!! Its the car that we deserve, but the car that we cant afford!"

Take a Supra 4cyl, which is somewhere around 3100lbs.
Its already removed some stuff from the 6cyl (which is around 3400lbs)

What could you possibly do to that car to save another 300-400lbs at that point without resorting to carbon fibre or more aluminum bits?

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

What sub 3300 lb 2 seater with 300+ hp has been cheaper than the 350Z/370Z? I can't think of one.

And your point?

[dpfarr]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Its not impossible, but its highly unrealistic.

"hey we made the next Z car 2700 lbs, with a 350hp TT V6, 6 speed gearbox and all the luxuries and tech you expect from a modern car! It only costs 80 grand because the R&D was ridiculous to find the weight savings and have the chassis not to fold itself into a pretzel when the car is pushed hard! But we did it!!! Its the car that we deserve, but the car that we cant afford!"

Take a Supra 4cyl, which is somewhere around 3100lbs.
Its already removed some stuff from the 6cyl (which is around 3400lbs)

What could you possibly do to that car to save another 300-400lbs at that point without resorting to carbon fibre or more aluminum bits?

I suppose an additional 1000lbs, 200hp, and $30k is enough of jump from your hypothetical?

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Because what others have said, plus the car doesn’t need more horsepower than that to sell. The 350Z had less power than the top trim of the 300ZX, so there is a precedence for back peddling on power, luxury, complexity, etc.

They back peddled like crazy on price between the top 300ZX and the 350Z too. That does not look to be the case here. If it is going to be 3200+ pounds then they should just put the 400HP engine in it, charge $45K+ for it and go after the Supra. They were competitors for much of their existence. It looks to be better looking anyway, IMO.