Results of the Valve Spring Recall Work

[PWBRZ]

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[MuseChaser]

I have 570 miles on my FR-S since the recall was done on 1/22/19. When I picked up the car from the dealership after the work was completed, I checked the oil level and, as usual when they've done an oil change, it was slightly above the "High" mark. The car has never, ever burnd or otherwise dropped in oil level over the 45,000 miles I've driven it... there's 71,xxx on it now. Although I usually check my oil frequently (at least every fillup, and usually more.. yeah, I know... but that's me), I'd gotten a little complacent because the FR-S has been so reliable and never had any change. Today I had a couple-hundred mile trip to take and, given the scare stories here recently re/ problems after the recall, I checked the oil for the first time since the recall before heading out. There was NONE visible on the dipstick. NONE. The car is parked on a slight incline, nose-up, but I doubt it would account for that. I've also noticed that, although the car starts quickly and has been running as well as it ever has, it seems to sound louder and rougher upon startup than it used to, and the exhaust is darker. I chalked it up to paranoia over having major engine work being done recently... but.... ??


Needless to say, I took another car today. Will top off the oil, then monitor it closely and see what happens. My Toyota "Certified" warranty runs until July, and ALL of the work has been done at the dealership, so if something catastrophic happens they should cover it without question.


@Takumi788 , you didn't read this...

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by maslin

I’ll just leave this here.

Man those pics make me nauseous

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[MuseChaser]

OK.. update to my last post. The first quart of oil I added still didn't bring the level up enough to even be seen on the dipstick. The second quart brought it up to the low line, and then the THIRD quart.. yes, THIRD.. brought it up to just above the high line. I drove the car to work this afternoon, about 25 miles, then checked it before driving home after my shift. Now, it showed way above the fill line.. like, maybe, a little higher than it does after the dealership overfills it after every oil change..over an inch.
On the drive home, for the first time in its life, the car hesitated and backfired after pulling away from a stop, and stumbled a few more times during acceleration. That's the first time in its life it has ever ran poorly. When I got home, I reved it in my driveway and it's stumbling slightly when you step on the gas from idle. Checked and don't see any signs of leaks.
First and most import question... what kind of damage does overfilling the oil do to the engine? Second, can overfilling cause backfires and stumbling? Third... why in the world would I need to add over two quarts of oil 570 miles after the recall being done, having verified that it was indeed slighly overfilled when I picked it up after the recall. Fourth... I'm assuming jacking the car and draining a quart is in my immediate future. Tell me if I'm wrong.



Really worried... any ideas/thoughts? During all of this, the engine oil warning light has never, ever come on and temps per the dash gauge have been as they've always been... normal.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

OK.. update to my last post. The first quart of oil I added still didn't bring the level up enough to even be seen on the dipstick. The second quart brought it up to the low line, and then the THIRD quart.. yes, THIRD.. brought it up to just above the high line. I drove the car to work this afternoon, about 25 miles, then checked it before driving home after my shift. Now, it showed way above the fill line.. like, maybe, a little higher than it does after the dealership overfills it after every oil change..over an inch.
On the drive home, for the first time in its life, the car hesitated and backfired after pulling away from a stop, and stumbled a few more times during acceleration. That's the first time in its life it has ever ran poorly. When I got home, I reved it in my driveway and it's stumbling slightly when you step on the gas from idle. Checked and don't see any signs of leaks.
First and most import question... what kind of damage does overfilling the oil do to the engine? Second, can overfilling cause backfires and stumbling? Third... why in the world would I need to add over two quarts of oil 570 miles after the recall being done, having verified that it was indeed slighly overfilled when I picked it up after the recall. Fourth... I'm assuming jacking the car and draining a quart is in my immediate future. Tell me if I'm wrong.



Really worried... any ideas/thoughts? During all of this, the engine oil warning light has never, ever come on and temps per the dash gauge have been as they've always been... normal.

Over filling a little is fine. Check the 10mm bolts that attach the DI computer thingy to the side of the engine.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

OK.. update to my last post. ...….First and most import question... what kind of damage does overfilling the oil do to the engine? Second, can overfilling cause backfires and stumbling? Third... why in the world would I need to add over two quarts of oil 570 miles after the recall being done, having verified that it was indeed slighly overfilled when I picked it up after the recall. Fourth... I'm assuming jacking the car and draining a quart is in my immediate future. Tell me if I'm wrong.



Really worried... any ideas/thoughts?.

I reckon for a non tracked car, a one quart overfill could be tolerated by the engine. I would be more concerned by what happened when the engine was 2-3 quarts low.

Well now, MuseChaser , that's just more than aggravating -

I don't think overfilling would cause backfires and stumbling - something else is whacked out.

For the engine to "use" that much oil, there has to be a leak somewhere.

I suggest you take it back to the dealer that did the work and ask them to "fix" it (the oil leak and the rough running).

I sure hope they get it sorted out for you.


humfrz

[Lantanafrs2]

Are you checking the oil level with the car on level ground? Are you checking the level with a cold motor or are you running it first?

[Octane]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

OK.. update to my last post. The first quart of oil I added still didn't bring the level up enough to even be seen on the dipstick. The second quart brought it up to the low line, and then the THIRD quart.. yes, THIRD.. brought it up to just above the high line. I drove the car to work this afternoon, about 25 miles, then checked it before driving home after my shift. Now, it showed way above the fill line.. like, maybe, a little higher than it does after the dealership overfills it after every oil change..over an inch.
On the drive home, for the first time in its life, the car hesitated and backfired after pulling away from a stop, and stumbled a few more times during acceleration. That's the first time in its life it has ever ran poorly. When I got home, I reved it in my driveway and it's stumbling slightly when you step on the gas from idle. Checked and don't see any signs of leaks.
First and most import question... what kind of damage does overfilling the oil do to the engine? Second, can overfilling cause backfires and stumbling? Third... why in the world would I need to add over two quarts of oil 570 miles after the recall being done, having verified that it was indeed slighly overfilled when I picked it up after the recall. Fourth... I'm assuming jacking the car and draining a quart is in my immediate future. Tell me if I'm wrong.



Really worried... any ideas/thoughts? During all of this, the engine oil warning light has never, ever come on and temps per the dash gauge have been as they've always been... normal.

Over filling a little bit is fine. Specs shows 5.7qt, I routinely put 6qts.
Over filling alot will cause foaming where the crank whips the oil and aerate the oil, causing the oil pick up to pull in air as well as oil and starving the engine of oil.
Over filling by alot alot will destroy the eninge. Oil will be forced into the cylinder and hydrolock the cylinder and engine go boom. Seen it once where a lube techs first week on the job didnt know how to read the oil gun and put 16qts of oil in instead of 4.5qts.


I've seen engines that are specd for 4qts that come in with less than 1qt of oil and it still ran... cant say its good for the engine, but it ran like that for a long time. No immediate damage but its definitely not good for the longivity of the engine.

[Magoo]

UPDATE:

Dropping off the rental tomorrow and then going to have the FR-S towed to a Subaru Repair shop. I'll have them look into it and tell me what they think happened. Then, I'll get the car back on the road.

I just talked to the Manager at the dealership, and nothing is being done to solve this.

[Magoo]

UPDATE:

After going round-and-round, the guy at the dealer says that he spoke to his tech and they found the codes on the ECU were recently cleared before they looked at it. They looked into it and found that it should meet certain criteria with what they have at Toyota and in their database and say that there must have been something going on before the car broke. For example: Running a custom tune then re-flashing the stock tune back before handing the car over.

There's no way for me to prove this didn't happen.

I'm now waiting for Toyota Corp. to call me back (at the advice of the dealer) and see what can be done next, which is going to cost me a lot of money.

This SUCKS. My stomach is doing flips.

[msaikhan]

Originally Posted by Magoo

UPDATE:

After going round-and-round, the guy at the dealer says that he spoke to his tech and they found the codes on the ECU were recently cleared before they looked at it. They looked into it and found that it should meet certain criteria with what they have at Toyota and in their database and say that there must have been something going on before the car broke. For example: Running a custom tune then re-flashing the stock tune back before handing the car over.

There's no way for me to prove this didn't happen.

I'm now waiting for Toyota Corp. to call me back (at the advice of the dealer) and see what can be done next, which is going to cost me a lot of money.

This SUCKS. My stomach is doing flips.

Sucks man, mine was dropped off for recall a week ago. After, there was oil leak and exhaust leak, so i brought it back again. And then i started hearing knocks just like yours, but not a constant knock, it comes and goes. I took it back and they say, it sounds fine. I flashed my ECU back to stock tune with oft, they better not pull sh** like how they did you.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by msaikhan

Sucks man, mine was dropped off for recall a week ago. After, there was oil leak and exhaust leak, so i brought it back again. And then i started hearing knocks just like yours, but not a constant knock, it comes and goes. I took it back and they say, it sounds fine. I flashed my ECU back to stock tune with oft, they better not pull sh** like how they did you.

Well OTS Stage 1 is notorious for causing exhaust leaks, oil leaks and random knocking sounds.... said no one.

[srt4evah]

Hopefully the Subaru repair shop finds that the oil pickups were plugged with by chunks of old sealant. Good luck claiming that's the result of a tune, Toyota...

Good luck man, it's ridiculous that this "abundance of caution" about a .01% failure rate has killed SO many FRS.

[tomm.brz]

Originally Posted by Magoo

UPDATE:

After going round-and-round, the guy at the dealer says that he spoke to his tech and they found the codes on the ECU were recently cleared before they looked at it. They looked into it and found that it should meet certain criteria with what they have at Toyota and in their database and say that there must have been something going on before the car broke. For example: Running a custom tune then re-flashing the stock tune back before handing the car over.

There's no way for me to prove this didn't happen.

I'm now waiting for Toyota Corp. to call me back (at the advice of the dealer) and see what can be done next, which is going to cost me a lot of money.

This SUCKS. My stomach is doing flips.

curiosity
how did you tune your car? ecutek or oft/tactrix?