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Old 10-02-2022, 04:29 PM   #911
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So many seem to think that the dealers pay for warranty work out of their own pocket or something. It is paying and profitable work not charity.
Even the car companies build the warranty costs into the prices so they are not losing on individual warranty repairs either. Sure a $20K engine replacement seems huge to the consumer but it is not even a glimmer of a slice of a blip on Toyota's books. They don't even start to take notice until you get something like the airbag recalls that cost them hundreds of millions. Even then their profit numbers didn't go down those couple of years so we all know who pays in the long run.
wasn't there talk of going after takata to reimburse some automakers?

of course then i believe takata declared bankruptcy...
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So many seem to think that the dealers pay for warranty work out of their own pocket or something. It is paying and profitable work not charity.
My, and subsequently the shops, biggest paydays we're always warranty work. Chances are you did more then one so you learned to be better, on top of everything typically not being very old.

I'd imagine even the guys that initially messed up engines on the J02 recall got good at them after the second go around. You see the guy in the bay next to you learn a trick or two and pass it around the shop, you get the process down.
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do we normally get access to filter flow/filtration rates, oem or aftermarket?

whether it's the cause or not, it really doesn't matter, as even the indication of a non-approved oil filter plugging stuff up would be enough for most places to deny coverage.

the 0-30w oil definitely only furthers this point...
The oil part could be argued. The 0W-20 is "recommended" not "required" in the owner manual. The manual even says a higher viscosity oil may be needed under certain conditions.
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wasn't there talk of going after takata to reimburse some automakers?

of course then i believe takata declared bankruptcy...
They did pay but it covered a fraction of the costs.
Whole different scenario involving millions of cars that could kill people not a sprinkling of ones that could break down.
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The oil part could be argued. The 0W-20 is "recommended" not "required" in the owner manual. The manual even says a higher viscosity oil may be needed under certain conditions.
Based on this I can't imagine 0w-30 being a bad choice especially if you're gonna be running the car on a hot track day.
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Toyota is saying the limiter was disabled (how?) and as a result I drove the car all the way to 129mph (also never happened per gamin)...
I'd be calling Toyota corporate on it. See if you could get some good faith help. Saying the wrong viscosity is BS, and the 5th gear 129mph when you have video and GPS evidence disputing it.
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I'd be calling Toyota corporate on it. See if you could get some good faith help. Saying the wrong viscosity is BS, and the 5th gear 129mph when you have video and GPS evidence disputing it.
It is more than likely that it is corporate Toyota that declined the warranty with the info they received. Can't see them reversing that with the nature of the damage and the wrong filter being used. The video doesn't disprove a thing since it is just a segment of the whole day and the report doesn't even say WHEN they claimed it happened. They are only going to go so far with goodwill and unfortunately the shopping list in this case likely pushes that boundary hard.
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The oil part could be argued. The 0W-20 is "recommended" not "required" in the owner manual. The manual even says a higher viscosity oil may be needed under certain conditions.
Then it continues...

"However, it must be replaced with SAE 0W-20 at the next oil change."

Do you think they are saying that it must be replaced with 0w20 to keep the "for good fuel economy and good starting in cold weather" status that's stated prior? Or that it must be replaced regardless?

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Based on this I can't imagine 0w-30 being a bad choice especially if you're gonna be running the car on a hot track day.
The Japanese owners manual for the 2nd gen BRZ lists 0w30 as an acceptable choice.



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1: The amount of engine oil is a guideline when replacing. To check the oil level, place the car on a level surface, stop the engine before starting the engine or after warming up the engine, and wait at least 5 minutes before checking the oil level with a level gauge. To check the oil level, look at both sides of the level gauge and check the lower side of the oil level.
2: ECO 0W-20 is the most fuel-saving oil among the designated brands in the table above.
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Then it continues...

"However, it must be replaced with SAE 0W-20 at the next oil change."

Do you think they are saying that it must be replaced with 0w20 to keep the "for good fuel economy and good starting in cold weather" status that's stated prior? Or that it must be replaced regardless?



The Japanese owners manual for the 2nd gen BRZ lists 0w30 as an acceptable choice.



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1: The amount of engine oil is a guideline when replacing. To check the oil level, place the car on a level surface, stop the engine before starting the engine or after warming up the engine, and wait at least 5 minutes before checking the oil level with a level gauge. To check the oil level, look at both sides of the level gauge and check the lower side of the oil level.
2: ECO 0W-20 is the most fuel-saving oil among the designated brands in the table above.
Ya the terms "recommended" and "must" do not fit well together at all.
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It is more than likely that it is corporate Toyota that declined the warranty with the info they received. Can't see them reversing that with the nature of the damage and the wrong filter being used. The video doesn't disprove a thing since it is just a segment of the whole day and the report doesn't even say WHEN they claimed it happened. They are only going to go so far with goodwill and unfortunately the shopping list in this case likely pushes that boundary hard.
I think it would still be worth stating your case to someone at corporate and seeing if you can escalate it further. Nothing to lose.
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Car hit 129mph at 8300rpm on 5th gear ???

I think this is the nail in the coffin regardless of what oil or filter was used. Looking at the gear ratio chart posted, not saying this is what happened, it's probable that you are at the top of 5th and going to grab 6th but money shifted into 4th instead. I wonder if there is a delay in the ECU registering gear selection hence the gear read out was 5th instead.

Rather than lawyering up, i will request to review the "black box" data that was retrieved and challenge that. However, i feel this is a extremely slim chance.
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I wonder if there is a delay in the ECU registering gear selection hence the gear read out was 5th instead.
Given that the gear indicator doesn't change until a beat after you actually release the clutch, I always assumed that there is in fact no gear selection sensor, just an ecu deduction based upon engine rpm vs. wheel rpm.
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Given that the gear indicator doesn't change until a beat after you actually release the clutch, I always assumed that there is in fact no gear selection sensor, just an ecu deduction based upon engine rpm vs. wheel rpm.
Oh that is interesting. I just assumed there is an actual gear selector sensor. Can anyone confirm?
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Oh that is interesting. I just assumed there is an actual gear selector sensor. Can anyone confirm?
There are only 2 sensors on the MT. Neutral and reverse switches. The gear indicator is all based on speed and RPM.
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