COVID Developments and News

[Atmo]

The CDC changes the definition of a "vaccine" again.

At this point, broccoli will qualify.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/09/...e-limitations/

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Atmo

The CDC changes the definition of a "vaccine" again.

At this point, broccoli will qualify.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/09/...e-limitations/

I mean, I don't get the meme in this context, but that's an interesting update.

Edit. Took a closer look at the article. Only notes that the definition of "vaccination" has changed. "Vaccination" and "vaccine" mean two different things, and the distinction is important. All 3 definitions of "vaccination" still include administering a "vaccine" to achieve some effect.

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I mean, I don't get the meme in this context, but that's an interesting update.

Yeah, it's an obscure reference to a few who posted the definition change on Twitter and then were permanently banned.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Atmo

Yeah, it's an obscure reference to a few who posted the definition change on Twitter and then were permanently banned.

I'm sure there was some other reasons they got banned than just posting the definition, but that's a different topic I think.

[MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Of course they are using this to say more people need to get vaccinated

they're right

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I'm sure there was some other reasons they got banned than just posting the definition, but that's a different topic I think.

Right. One of them was previously temporarily suspended for posting recent breakthrough stats in Israel. Not sure about others.

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I mean, I don't get the meme in this context, but that's an interesting update.

Edit. Took a closer look at the article. Only notes that the definition of "vaccination" has changed. "Vaccination" and "vaccine" mean two different things, and the distinction is important. All 3 definitions of "vaccination" still include administering a "vaccine" to achieve some effect.

I quoted the author's headline. Searching "vaccine" or "vaccination" definition changes shows the same articles referenced either way.

[Irace86.2.0]

My wife asked me about ECMO today. I found out a friend of my wife's coworker/boss/friend is intubated in the ICU with COVID. She is 38 and has a husband and seven children. Apparently she was bad enough that they told her husband last week to come say goodbye, but she is still here. They are putting her on ECMO. For those that don't know, it is basically heart/lung bypass like what is used during open heart surgery. It is like a dialysis machine, except it is for the heart and lungs instead of the kidneys. Looks like the rate of mortality for ECMO for the use of ARDS/COVID for her age is around 42%, which isn't great.

Dr. Nguyen and colleagues used the nationwide Vizient hospital database to analyze outcomes of 11,182 patients with COVID-19 and ARDS who received ECMO between April and September 2020. The patients were treated at 155 US medical centers; numbers of patients treated with ECMO ranged from 1 to 38 per hospital. The majority of patients were under the age of 50 years (57.9 percent) with about 37 percent aged 51 to 64 years. Only about five percent were aged 65 years or older.

For these ECMO-treated COVID-19 patients with ARDS, the overall rate of in-hospital death was 45.9 percent. Although high, that is roughly half the mortality rate reported in smaller ECMO studies from early in the pandemic. It's also comparable to the 39 percent death rate in a recent analysis of about 1,000 patients from the Extracorporeal Life Support Organization registry (largely treated at higher-volume ECMO centers).

For patients in the new study, average length of hospital stay was lengthy: 37 days, including 29 days in the intensive care unit. The in-hospital mortality rate increased with age: from about 25 percent for patients aged up to 30 years, to 42 percent for those aged 31 to 50 years, 53 percent for those aged 51 to 64, and 74 percent for those aged 65 or older.

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/756993

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Atmo

I quoted the author's headline. Searching "vaccine" or "vaccination" definition changes shows the same articles referenced either way.

So the headline is misleading. Just noting it in case someone else missed that.

[seawolfxix]

https://www.businessinsider.com/bide...accines-2021-9

The Biden administration will require employers with more than 100 employees to mandate vaccines or weekly testing

[Atmo]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...ddb6e38872d3d5

We're getting some strange lockdown stories coming out of Oz and NZ lately. What's going on down there?

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by Atmo

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...ddb6e38872d3d5

We're getting some strange lockdown stories coming out of Oz and NZ lately. What's going on down there?

Won't happen in the US at least.
Also remember liquor stores are essential businesses

[reni]

Anti-vaxxers literally causing the deaths of other patients

[MuseChaser]

Some things to remember.

1. Many people who chose not to get the vaccine take other socially responsible precautions to avoid possibly endangering others.
2. Getting the vaccine does not prevent one from infecting someone else with Covid; we shouldn't, and CAN'T, blame every case of Covid on unvaccinated people.
3. Vaccinated people are far less likely to require hospitalization in the event of a breakthrough infection, and that is indeed an excellent reason to get the vaccine especially if one has other risk factors, both for one's own safety and to keep hospital beds open for others. However, getting the vaccine is not an equally sure protection against being infected with Covid, nor against infecting others.

Unlike our president, I do not understand the anger and desire to blame those who chose not to get the vaccine for anything, at least based solely upon not getting the vaccine. Anger is never helpful, and blame rarely is, but blaming unvaccinated people who ALSO put others at risk by not avoiding crowds, not isolating when ill, not getting tested when unable to meet these criteria...ok. However, if blame needs to be assigned and anger felt, then vaccinated people must be co-recipients of some if and when they similarly engage in those same practices that may affect others.

Another logical disconnect - Why are the majority of folks who are adamantly in favor of vaccine mandates also the very same folks so quick to completely discount what may be effective, very low cost treatments (yes, I'm back to ivermectin and the recent positive data surrounding it)? Prevention is, of course, always preferable to treatment, but if the goal is to keep people out of hospitals so that all people can receive healthcare when they need it, why not be equally excited about treatments for those infected that greatly reduce the likelihood of hospitalization?


Rather than being angry with each other for the ways we choose to ensure our safety and those around us, perhaps we should focus the blame on the virus itself, and any humans who may have had a hand in its existence and release. The leap in logic required to label someone who would rather take measures other than the vaccine to protect themselves and others as a murderer and hateful person who is the cause of this is beyond me.