AutoBild gives specs of the Subaru BRZ

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Bacon

Ditto.

I suppose the Lancer Evolution, STi, Nissan GT-R, Audi R8, Porsche 911 Turbo and the entire Lamborghini range are all fail wheel drive then.

The thing I love about this site is everybody is a professional...

[solu]

Well.... For me it actually seems that AutoBild are excited about the "low" price. lol.

Well.. i will import my scion from the US anyways ))). Any1 owns a scion already? how long does the production time take ? 3 months? cant wait nearly a year to get my one tbh!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by solu

Well.... For me it actually seems that AutoBild are excited about the "low" price. lol.

Well.. i will import my scion from the US anyways ))). Any1 owns a scion already? how long does the production time take ? 3 months? cant wait nearly a year to get my one tbh!

Probably won't go on sale for another 5-6 months from now.

[Nurburgring]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I didn't know AWD was the new fail wheel drive? There is only one Fail Wheel Drive.

AWD systems with front bias and open front differential understeer just like a FWD car.

911 GT3 > Turbo, GT2 >>> Turbo, LP550-2 Valentino Balboni > Any -4 Lambo. You see, actual performance versions eliminate AWD so they reduce weight and gain performance.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Abflug

Leergewicht = curb weight

Curbweight in germany = 75% gas tank + luggage and 665kg passenger no?

[Nurburgring]

From the translated german "Leergewicht" definition:

To determine the empty weight of a vehicle, there are different standards. The curb weight of a road vehicle (eg a car) is made according to the DIN standard DIN 70020 from the mass of the vehicle and along the tank filled to 90%. For the registration of vehicles to road traffic in Germany was in the vehicle registration certificates issued to 2005 (under paragraph 14) and vehicle titles to the Vehicle Licensing Regulation also entered the empty weight of the vehicle. In the valid registration certificate from 2005 (Part I), the term G in the field as a "mass of the vehicle in service in kg Unladen mass" is used. The curb weight here includes the vehicle including a full fuel tank, driver weight (75 kg), hand tools, spare tire, first aid kit and warning triangle. For vehicles that have been approved from July 2003 for the first time, will be considered for the fuel filling only 90 percent of the fuel tank capacity.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Curbweight in germany = 75% gas tank + luggage and 665kg passenger no?

Luggage and typical American sized passenger? I know it must be easy to find luggage in Germany to throw in, but where do they find fatty-McGee?

[solu]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Probably won't go on sale for another 5-6 months from now.

i can live with 5-6 months as long as the production itself will not take longer than 3 months. cant really be arsed to wait 1 year for a car.

[Buggy51]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Luggage and typical American sized passenger? I know it must be easy to find luggage in Germany to throw in, but where do they find fatty-McGee?

Out of curiosity, have you seen some of the national German dishes? Its not like America's the only fat nation... If I went to Germany and just ate with nothing holding me back I'd balloon as well... o_O

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Buggy51

Out of curiosity, have you seen some of the national German dishes? Its not like America's the only fat nation... If I went to Germany and just ate with nothing holding me back I'd balloon as well... o_O

Ok don't mess things up for me. When I think of Germany I think of hot girls and fine Germany cars and manufacturing.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by solu

i can live with 5-6 months as long as the production itself will not take longer than 3 months. cant really be arsed to wait 1 year for a car.

Hopefully they will hit dealers sooner but I am expecting Spring 2012.

[joe]

Originally Posted by Abflug

30.000 €?! sorry, but

You know that this is the "official" price for Germany. Unlike other countries we never pay the price at the dealer the manufacturer asks for, so there is some margin for Germany calculated in their price.

Edit: And you will never see a car that is registered in Germany with that rear wing.

[C4RBON]

Originally Posted by Nurburgring

AWD systems with front bias and open front differential understeer just like a FWD car.

Manual WRX is 50/50. Understeer may be bad on a racetrack, but it is safer for average drivers in real life. Also remember that the WRX evolved from rally racing where, on gravel and dirt roads, understeer makes the car much more predictable to handle on variable surfaces.

Originally Posted by Nurburgring

911 GT3 > Turbo, GT2 >>> Turbo, LP550-2 Valentino Balboni > Any -4 Lambo. You see, actual performance versions eliminate AWD so they reduce weight and gain performance.

If you live on a racetrack, yes. I however, live in a world where it rains, snows, and sleets.

Originally Posted by Buggy51

Out of curiosity, have you seen some of the national German dishes? Its not like America's the only fat nation... If I went to Germany and just ate with nothing holding me back I'd balloon as well... o_O

Mmmm yes, Germany loves its sauces, gravy, and dressing! I would say, on average, a typical German is more active than the typical American. There is still a lot of walking and biking going on across the Atlantic. Plus, portion size is a little more reasonable than over here.

I wish I could get a Doener right now

[Abflug]

Originally Posted by Buggy51

Out of curiosity, have you seen some of the national German dishes? Its not like America's the only fat nation... If I went to Germany and just ate with nothing holding me back I'd balloon as well... o_O

come on, it´s not that bad... :happy0180:

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Ok don't mess things up for me. When I think of Germany I think of hot girls and fine Germany cars and manufacturing.

I think there are more hot girls in the states!

Originally Posted by joe

You know that this is the "official" price for Germany. Unlike other countries we never pay the price at the dealer the manufacturer asks for, so there is some margin for Germany calculated in their price.

Edit: And you will never see a car that is registered in Germany with that rear wing.

of course I know the price is negoitable but I was hoping MSRP would lean more towards 25.000 €!

and what wing your are talking about?!

Originally Posted by C4RBON

Mmmm yes, Germany loves its sauces, gravy, and dressing! I would say, on average, a typical German is more active than the typical American. There is still a lot of walking and biking going on across the Atlantic. Plus, portion size is a little more reasonable than over here.

I wish I could get a Doener right now

:happy0180: