Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

Phantom for sale: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94193

my old one too

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by keen as

All good points and a very good work around. I agree, the map can do that if I am good at staying off full throttle. However, I want to keep the same accelerator pedal behaviour, including full throttle at all relevant parts of the track, but only use full boost on the straight.


I am yet to try my ideas. I want to know if there is info/data about the connections to the Procede that I have described above.

I agree with Kool that you could make a autocross map that only activates full boost on a full throttle. Therefore giving you what you want.

But if you get a three way switch you could wire both the foot switch and the procede to the wires.

[WNDSRFR]

Originally Posted by fenton

See below what we found while on the dyno(last year). Disregard the top dips in the boosted run, we found out that was due to a faulty coil pack(ECU was thowing fault codes when boosted until we fixed and replaced it at a later day).

The other two runs are Stock(Bone stock, nothing installed) and Bolt ons stock.

The bolt ons were a OpenFlash Header(catless) and also a namesless track pipe. You can see that the Mod's mostly helped on the bottom end, not so much on the top end. I think if we tuned more for our alititude and fuel we may have got better results on the stage 1 run.

I have split out Power and Torque as it was pretty confusing looking with so many runs stacked on top.

All runs are on Husky 94octane with 10% ethanol.

WHP



WTQ

These charts really show what the Phantom is all about. Especially the WTQ chart.
Not happy with the low end torque of this engine? Get a Phantom. Don't waste your money on other mods that do little if anything about the lack of low end power. Get on the list now and save up your money for when it's your turn!

[LucidMomentum]

Okay, so I've had the Procede with @KoolBRZ's "cool" map installed and used for the past few days.


My review? The kit was a kind of frustrating install due to how tough it is to get to the wires you need to tap into, but once I got it sorted out with everyone's help, the kit was well worth the cost.


Why? Because the linear control makes this kit really come alive. I made a comment before the Procede that the Phantom ESC felt like a rechargeable shot of NOS, in the sense that all the power kicks in once you hit that throttle switch.


This made using it fully a bit of a challenge for your daily driver since you had to decide whether or not 5 PSI of boost was a good idea at the moment, and if it wasn't you had to behave yourself unless you wanted to overshoot the exit of a corner or end up in the car in front of you.


With the Procede, you've got full control over the RPM and Throttle ranges, and you can set the boost to reasonable amounts at lower RPM while still maintaining the full boost at the top end. Having the boost follow your throttle and RPM makes the kit feel much more practical as an upgrade to a daily driver's vehicle, while also giving you the advantage of extra torque and WHP for those spirited weekend track days or back road drives.


The Procede responds as quick as the Phantom, so there's no real "lag" added by the setup. This morning I came out of a sharp turn at speed and was able to instantly get back up to the speed limit, without needing to downshift and rev excessively like I would have had to with the activation switch.


While the Phantom is a good value on its own, for the price of the Procede it becomes a much better, and more enjoyable setup all around. If you want a supercharge setup that's =half the cost of others on the market, and don't feel like you need the extra power or maintenance that comes from a turbo would provide in a similar price range, then the Procede is a great addition to the Phantom to make it feel more like a refined FI setup.

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

These charts really show what the Phantom is all about. Especially the WTQ chart.
Not happy with the low end torque of this engine? Get a Phantom. Don't waste your money on other mods that do little if anything about the lack of low end power. Get on the list now and save up your money for when it's your turn!

Exactly. It's rather hard to beat that, for the price. The low end torque does wonders for the handling and feel of the car.

[stevo585]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

These charts really show what the Phantom is all about. Especially the WTQ chart.
Not happy with the low end torque of this engine? Get a Phantom. Don't waste your money on other mods that do little if anything about the lack of low end power. Get on the list now and save up your money for when it's your turn!

How would you compare it to your GTI? I have a buddy who has a 2013 APR stage 2 and its pretty damn quick.

[Namuna]

Originally Posted by LucidMomentum

...I made a comment before the Procede that the Phantom ESC felt like a rechargeable shot of NOS, in the sense that all the power kicks in once you hit that throttle switch.

This made using it fully a bit of a challenge for your daily driver since you had to decide whether or not 5 PSI of boost was a good idea at the moment, and if it wasn't you had to behave yourself unless you wanted to overshoot the exit of a corner or end up in the car in front of you.

This is exactly my thoughts after having used and felt the power of my newly installed ESC...That it's my new quick get-me-up-to-speed shot of power, but still separate from my usual driving.

Originally Posted by LucidMomentum

...With the Procede, you've got full control over the RPM and Throttle ranges...This morning I came out of a sharp turn at speed and was able to instantly get back up to the speed limit, without needing to downshift and rev excessively like I would have had to with the activation switch.

Yeah, I love the sound of that. Essentially the Procede integrates the power so that it DOES become a part of your driving experience instead of just a goto side-shot of power...But man that $459+shipping is no joke, especially after paying for the v2.0 kit and the upgraded batts. it would be awesome if the OFT guys offered up a special price using OFT dollars!

[KoolBRZ]

@LucidMomentum, I'm working on a new tune, and new maps to go with it. I call it EconoSport because it gets better mileage, while still making good power on WOT. Just drove 70 miles to Wilsonville and back testing it out on a full tank of gas. It's still building up too much pressure in the lower, (>3500) RPM's. It's also still a bit twitchy when I suddenly let off the throttle. It pulls much better at 55 MPH in 4th gear though. Still nowhere near as quick as 3rd gear though. My earlier maps had the zero, (Half boost) point as low as 2000 RPM's. I've found it needs to be at least 3500, or it over-boosts. It seems my car can't handle manifold pressure over 14 PSI under 3500 RPM's. Over 3500 RPM's it goes like a bat out of hell though. EconoSport 3, the top one, is what I just used to drive 70 miles on, and EconoSport 4 is the bottom pic, which I'll try out tomorrow and see if it still over-boosts. I did get 34.5 MPG average on the trip, and I had to give it some heavy throttle occasionally to test for over-boost. Although these look similar, the scaling is different. On EconoSport 3 I started from the bottom and added 10, then 11, then 12 and etc. on up to 100. This gave me a zero point as low as 2875. On EconoSport 4 I just added 10 till i got to 3750 RPM's, then added 25 from there on up.

[killy]

Originally Posted by fenton

Rob always has replacement parts ready to go out next day if anything were to happen. A couple people that did have issues had a very positive experience when requesting replacement parts.


As for the list, I'll post something this week with the current standings:

Just making sure im not missing anyone. For people requesting to be added to the list, please PM Robftss only....it is very hard to keep track of it when they email me and Rob, or just me.

If you have asked to be added to the list but have had no response PM please send a follow up PM. It is possible that you were initially missed as there were tonnes of PM's flying back and forth for a bit there.

Thanks All!

Hello Fenton,
did you get hold of the new list (especially the international list)?

I am hoping to be so near to the "green light" (13 months now..) that I am actually freaking out

[WNDSRFR]

Originally Posted by stevo585

How would you compare it to your GTI? I have a buddy who has a 2013 APR stage 2 and its pretty damn quick.

My GTI has the 1.8T with an APR stage 1 93 octane tune. I would say in a drag race the two cars are about equal. But of course the Scion handles better and is much more fun to drive. In fact the VW has over 200,000 miles on it and in the two years that I've had the FR-S I've driven the VW maybe 100 miles. It just isn't as much fun anymore.


But if I didn't have the ESC I would have to either get another form of FI or I would have to get rid of the car. I've gotten spoiled by the VW's linear torque.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by stevo585

How would you compare it to your GTI? I have a buddy who has a 2013 APR stage 2 and its pretty damn quick.

Cars i have owned before and how they compared:

RX8- ESC equipped BRZ is miles faster
WRX Stage 1 - ESC BRZ is faster but the flat torque is deceiving(Wrx feels faster due to surge of torque but is actually slower)
STI Stage 1 - STI might be a little faster but is very hard to shift properly and stay in the power(from my experience anyways).

Ive raced new GTI's with chips and they are all slower on the top end. The one GTI that kept up was a new GolfR with stage 1, that was about the same acceleration.

[stevo585]

You guys are saying two different things. Fenton your saying its faster than what wndsfer says lol. I had a stage 2 WRX and it was quick although I don't miss the power that much maybe the torque. It was an 07 with the tiny td04 so it was insta spool. I ran 13.7 @ 100 vs the brz at 14.3 @ 97 so I imagine the ESC would push it a bit faster maybe ~102 traps .

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by stevo585

You guys are saying two different things. Fenton your saying its faster than what wndsfer says lol. I had a stage 2 WRX and it was quick although I don't miss the power that much maybe the torque. It was an 07 with the tiny td04 so it was insta spool. I ran 13.7 @ 100 vs the brz at 14.3 @ 97 so I imagine the ESC would push it a bit faster maybe ~102 traps .

Perhaps, if you can hook up. I could never hookup right, always spun tires halfway down the track. Everything is just speculation until you actually try it though.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by stevo585

You guys are saying two different things. Fenton your saying its faster than what wndsfer says lol. I had a stage 2 WRX and it was quick although I don't miss the power that much maybe the torque. It was an 07 with the tiny td04 so it was insta spool. I ran 13.7 @ 100 vs the brz at 14.3 @ 97 so I imagine the ESC would push it a bit faster maybe ~102 traps .

Mine is a bit faster than most though, unless on e85. I have the experimental TQ300 that makes ~230 on 94oct. Running the standard with a 1.0 or 1.5 dump pack on 91-93 will net you anywhere between 200 and 215.

It doesnt sound like much but but 10 percent more power in a light car is a big difference.

For comparisons sake

My BRZ(tq300):
2700 pounds / 225whp - 12 pounds per HP

My Sti
3400 pounds / 270whp - 12.59 pounds per HP

My Wrx
3250 pounds / 250whp - 13 pounds per HP

My Rx8
3050 pounds / 175 whp - 17.42 pounds per HP

Gti stage 1
3160 pounds / ~230whp? - 13.7 pounds per HP

Buggati Veyron SS
4040 pounds / 1200hp - 3.3 pounds per HP

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by fenton

Mine is a bit faster than most though, unless on e85. I have the experimental TQ300 that makes ~230 on 94oct. Running the standard with a 1.0 or 1.5 dump pack on 91-93 will net you anywhere between 200 and 215.



It doesnt sound like much but but 10 percent more power in a light car is a big difference.



For comparisons sake



My BRZ(tq300):

2700 pounds / 225whp - 12 pounds per HP



My Sti

3400 pounds / 270whp - 12.59 pounds per HP



My Wrx

3250 pounds / 250whp - 13 pounds per HP



My Rx8

3050 pounds / 175 whp - 17.42 pounds per HP



Gti stage 1

3160 pounds / ~230whp? - 13.7 pounds per HP

I love experimental things...


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