Report: Toyota 86 / FR-S Sedan still coming (with 100mm longer wheelbase)

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by fr-sTony

............By the way, What is that fine young lady in your sig saying?

Does it matter ?? ....

humfrz

[alan.chalkley]

Originally Posted by Noble713

Please list the non-luxury, RWD, lightweight sedans under $40k. In the words of Katt Williams "Don't worry...I'll wait."



How about people who like to drift, but also need a practical people-mover and yet don't have the space/money for multiple cars? Or who are trying to avoid the wrong kind of attention by driving a tricked out coupe?




The 86 is successful because the Japanese got back to doing what they do best: designing cars that are quintessentially Japanese. I don't know about the mainland but the average enthusiast household down here in Okinawa can't afford both a big sedan and a modern sports coupe. The most popular drift cars here are used JZX90/JZX100 Chasers and Mark II's. Probably the most popular drag car is the R32 GT-R. Touge....I'm not familiar with that crowd but I've seen plenty of upgraded Miata's and Cappuccino's driven by middle-aged local guys. Young enthusiasts are predominantly street drifters though.

The only two things I hate about my Chaser are it's mediocre, flexible chassis and it's age. The 86 has a phenomenal chassis, so if they stretched it a bit, added two doors, and kept the weight under 3,000 lbs. I'd seriously consider it as a long-term replacement or stablemate. As a point of comparison, the base model JZX100 Chaser Tourer L came with a 2.0 inline-6 that only put out 140hp in a ~3,200lb car.

Slap a turbo on an 86 sedan, or better yet a turbo and stroker kit, and 300whp is a realistic possibility, which is probably more than my Chaser is making now (untuned Power FC and a stock turbo).

I'm not that enthused about the fan-made concept art or the hybrid rumors though.



Not everyone driving a sedan is a family man. I like sedans because I can drive my wingman to the club (I don't drink alcohol so I'm the permanent DD among my friends, all but 1 of them owns a car) and have enough space to still put 2 chicks comfortably in the back seats. If need be, it's also way easier to have sex in the back of a sedan than a coupe (love hotel prices start to add up if you go out regularly).

Sedans make it easier to be stealthy and stay off people's radars too; a clean and subtle sedan is the perfect classy ride for the distinguished gentleman. No one expects it to crush their souls en route to the next stop light with it's 500whp (perfectly feasible with a 1JZ, 2JZ, or V8 sedan)

If I was on baller status I *absolutely* would buy the Lamborghini Estoque sedan concept. I love Lambo's and hope to own a twin-turbo Gallardo some day.

As for a Corvette 4-door.....I've actually collected images of the C6 and C7 chassis so I can analyze the feasibility of designing a sedan off of the same chassis. I've got the software to do it (Autodesk Inventor) and Herb Adam's book Chassis Engineering for a reason. The only thing that gives me pause is it might be easier to put a Holden Commodore (FR sedan, lightweight V8 pushrod engine) on a diet via carbon fiber instead. Or figure out the legalities of registering an LS-swapped E36 BMW here in Japan.

I used to own a "BROCK" Holden Commodore , it was great in a straight line , more like a boat around corners and under brakes , great for driving girls around , as reliable as anything made in Korea.

[njccmd2002]

ok you guys.. behave..

coupe is for racing........


Sedan is for pimping .........

any questions?

[Ashybone]

Originally Posted by frs10

well i was actually excited about the BMW and Toyota car lol not that thing

cough cough *supra* cough cough

[frs10]

Originally Posted by Ashybone

cough cough *supra* cough cough

damn, my dreams may come true

[wbradley]

I like the sedan idea as a way to expand the platform to a more economically viable level for the manufacturer whilst providing a more practical choice for many consumers.

Reminds me of the Acura Integra of the 90s. I wanted a sporty car but was a new dad 15 years ago so I opted for the Integra GS sedan 4 dr. Enjoyed it so much I bought a new 3 door version 3 years later.

[GT86meMR2]

Sure, i hope they just use a different front and rear...

[DougNuts]

Originally Posted by Noble713

Please list the non-luxury, RWD, lightweight sedans under $40k.

Why does it have to be non-luxury? If Toyota can add two doors to an FR-S, keep the weight under 3000lbs and cost under $30k, they will have something good. If the cost approaches 3-series prices, I'd just buy the 3-series. I also think they would have a winner if they made the current car into a shooting-brake body style (see Z3 coupe) - it would give it the cargo capacity I would need anyway.

Originally Posted by Noble713

Or figure out the legalities of registering an LS-swapped E36 BMW here in Japan.

That's the other car on my short list. However, my main knock against the FR-S may be taken care of by the time I'm in the market. Toyota is doing the right thing by making more cars on this platform and I, personally, would like a 3 door (same chassis) or 5 door version (stretched chassis).

[aCab]

Would rather see a station wagon / shooting brake version. I could combine my FRS and the car that I drive for work (outside sales) into one vehicle.

[kajun]

Here's the "best" concept version I've seen - staying true to the current lines:

[Tromatic]

Sweet, I'd get one. Bet the owners forums will be filled with people who hate it.

Originally Posted by kajun

Here's the "best" concept version I've seen - staying true to the current lines:

[dori.]

Again, like with the convertible, I don't see how more bodystyles can be a bad thing.

I swear some people act like the coupe is going to be discontinued or something.

[Hanni_0176]

Originally Posted by dori.

Again, like with the convertible, I don't see how more bodystyles can be a bad thing.

I swear some people act like the coupe is going to be discontinued or something.

For me, it's not a matter of disliking the idea of new bodystyles (vert/sedan) as much as wishing they'd focus addressing the power issue first (and with a turbo, not a hybrid).

[aCab]

Originally Posted by Hanni_0176

For me, it's not a matter of disliking the idea of new bodystyles (vert/sedan) as much as wishing they'd focus addressing the power issue first (and with a turbo, not a hybrid).

Guess you never understood the philosophy behind the car when it was developed. Want more power? Add it yourself.