Car and Driver 2020 review

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by saltywetman

The only side/downgrade in the 2020 i'm sure you would agree with will likely be the sound system lol. Still looking for any trace of bass over here. Best I could manage was to not use android auto which launches my music player app to play music.

Instead, just use the bluetooth connection to utilize the head unit to simply act as a bridge to the speakers which allows the head unit's sound settings to be in effect. And using the software equalizer from the music player app on my phone does next to nothing and would even distort the music.



Think of the extra $3100 as going towards the Brembo brakes and sachs dampers and it becomes an easier pill to swallow.

But yes, up here in canada, it's literally a $3100 extra for a set of ugly wheels. I just tell myself i'm paying more for the toyota badging for my own stupid nostalgic reasons

Complete and total crap! The worst part is that since the phone goes through the door speakers you can’t hear a thing even at full volume.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gcmak

After hunting around for a used one and finding sketch cars and their even sketchier owners, I bought a new one for a good deal with this same logic in mind - and love it. If enthusiasts don't buy new and pray that 'others' will so they can take the hit on depreciation, it won't be 20 years later when sports cars die out and the used ones will all be junk buckets soon thereafter.

And those that aren’t junk will sell for more than when they were new

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by villainous_frx

Please everyone buy new cars so that when @Tcoat hits another 230k kms in his Hakone he can buy another new one and I can buy the Hakone

No way. Selling the next one on Kijiji. I really enjoyed the $2000 offers and guys that wanted to trade even for their 98 CRV With only a few problems.
Need to know what wax you used on the old girl to get that front bumper to actually shine again.

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I mean at least it gets the BRZ interior. That alone should be a bump in price. It's basically a brz limited with performance package. Seems spot on and not something so easily done with buying used and modifying.

You can buy almost all interior used if desired and get way better suspension then the performance package. All for less then new. Plus get the wheels you really want. Only thing is no warranty.

Does not mean if you really want a new car that it’s a not a great car, it is but has most of the weaknesses of the previous gens.

[villainous_frx]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No way. Selling the next one on Kijiji. I really enjoyed the $2000 offers and guys that wanted to trade even for their 98 CRV With only a few problems.
Need to know what wax you used on the old girl to get that front bumper to actually shine again.

Hard to top a CRV with only a few issues, but the best I can do is a 2014 FRS trade and maybe, MAYBE, a few bucks.

Not sure which picture you saw, but no wax has been applied to her yet. Just a lot of power washing (paint friendly tip), foam cannon, hand wash, a good rinse, and then hand dried. Also used some iron fallout remover to attack the lower parts of the fenders and they clean up really well.

[villainous_frx]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

You can buy almost all interior used if desired and get way better suspension then the performance package. All for less then new. Plus get the wheels you really want. Only thing is no warranty.

Does not mean if you really want a new car that it’s a not a great car, it is but has most of the weaknesses of the previous gens.

You *could* buy a whole new interior and suspension, but that isn't for everyone. Some owners just want the simplicity and warranty of a new car, and to them I say thank you! As pointed out by a few people including some new owners, without them there would be no used cars for us to buy and no new sports car innovation and designs.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by villainous_frx

Hard to top a CRV with only a few issues, but the best I can do is a 2014 FRS trade and maybe, MAYBE, a few bucks.

Not sure which picture you saw, but no wax has been applied to her yet. Just a lot of power washing (paint friendly tip), foam cannon, hand wash, a good rinse, and then hand dried. Also used some iron fallout remover to attack the lower parts of the fenders and they clean up really well.

The one of the front fender in the sunset. It looks extra shiny.
Well you would not be a good Kijiji buyer since they would want to trade the FRS and I give them a few. Bucks to take the Hakone.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

You can buy almost all interior used if desired and get way better suspension then the performance package. All for less then new. Plus get the wheels you really want. Only thing is no warranty.

Does not mean if you really want a new car that it’s a not a great car, it is but has most of the weaknesses of the previous gens.

Integrating that climate control, dash, steering wheel etc would probably not ever be worth it monetarily. I still havent seen a successful climate control swap, but a lot of people ask about it. Getting it in your car from the start? Sure. The PP brembos go for a pretty penny off wrecked cars.... there is definitely value in it if you're buying a new car.

[villainous_frx]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The one of the front fender in the sunset. It looks extra shiny.
Well you would not be a good Kijiji buyer since they would want to trade the FRS and I give them a few. Bucks to take the Hakone.

A little photoshop magic (not my doing, it was taken by a friend). I can send you some more pictures if you want.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by villainous_frx

A little photoshop magic (not my doing, it was taken by a friend). I can send you some more pictures if you want.

I probably have more but not as pretty.

[TylerLieberman]

Sounds about right.

It’s largely the same car as my old 2013 I bought new back in the day. But the small changes they made inside and out addressed quite a few of the complaints I had. It makes for a better, more refined car overall.

So long as you know what the car is going in and don’t try to lie to yourself, it’s hard to be disappointed.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

-Old and outdated but still fun as hell

Old and outdated? I think we have different perspectives.

[new2subaru]

DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase: 101.2 in
Length: 166.7 in
Width: 69.9 in
Height: 52.0 in
Passenger volume: 80 ft3
Trunk volume: 7 ft3
Curb weight: 2845 lb

2,845lbs?

The car gained almost 100lbs?


ETA This says maybe a 50lb gain



https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/vehi...specifications

[WNDSRFR]

The optional armrest is what I would buy the car for.