Bmw 230i(G42) vs BRZ/GR86

[Tcoat]

Is finding a lightly used 2020 86 an option? You could stay within the 2 litre tax frame and the difference in cost could pay for a pile of upgraded mods.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

You misspelled disappointing

Haha, I test-drove a 128i M-Sport over the weekend, and the salesman at the BMW dealer (car guy - had a Z4M, 987 Cayman, and currently a M240i) was lamenting with me about move to big, turbo and disconnected.

@Hiroba Games: I think the engine tax notwithstanding, your cost of ownership will be lower with the GR86, and it'll also be easier to mod it to your taste (for a reasonable budget).

[Hiroba Games]

There is total of 5 used cars can be found in entire country. All of them AT expect one and that one is 2jz swapped. @Tcoat

[Hiroba Games]

@daiheadjai I was wondering how the car felt like. I liked the feeling of brz it felt like a feather it moves like a part of your body direct feeling of brz was awesome. I was not expecting the bmw the feel same with that weight but if its even close, that is fine for me. Also last bmw i used was 2013 x1 and that steering wheel feeling is worst i ever used it felt so heavy without any connection to wheels. I cant compare those cars i know that is why i am asking you guys. Also i wont be able to test twins too, i will export it myself, man you guys living the car guys dream there

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Hiroba Games

There is total of 5 used cars can be found in entire country. All of them AT expect one and that one is 2jz swapped. @Tcoat

Well that rules that out.

[mazeroni]

Hard choice. I'm not a fan of how the new 2-series looks, but it is no doubt a much more premium vehicle to drive.

Thinking more long term, which one depreciates more? Sure, the tax on the GR86 is a lot, but will it retain its value better over its life verses the BMW. The GR86 should also be bulletproof at this point.

[Hiroba Games]

BMW will retain its value better there is no doubt.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Hiroba Games

BMW will retain its value better there is no doubt.

No it won’t.

[Poogchomp]

Originally Posted by Hiroba Games

BMW will retain its value better there is no doubt.

Not sure about Turkey, but in the US BMW cars don't hold value until they become collector cars. Only ones I know of that have gone up in price after bottoming out are the e30s and e36. If you were truly concerned about that you'd just try to get your hands in an e46 m3 and sit on it. At least thats my normally incorrect opinion.

[OwlDance]

Seeing as you've said you'll more or less pay the same price for it up front, the 86 will arguably be easier and cheaper on maintenance in the long run. The BMW might be a bit more practical but if things go wrong it's more likely to be costly.

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by TommyW

700 lbs is a big weight difference. The 86 will be more responsive to driving inputs and be a better drivers car if that's what you're after

The best bit to me is the new M240i xDrive (only way it comes) is 3871 lbs which is more than:

A 6th gen Camaro SS
A S550 Mustang GT

AND, is very similar to the best one, a f*cking Dodge Challenger lol.

I can’t believe that BMW’s smallest sports car in the US can weigh about the same as a Challenger…

[Perzeus]

Originally Posted by Hiroba Games

BMW will retain its value better there is no doubt.

BMWs value drops like a rock in the first years. I bought mine 2 years old for less than half the sticker price. Same with the last one ten years ago - 3 years, low mileage - half price. GT86/BRZ on the other hand hold their value exceptionally well. Even before the craze started you could hardly find one of the first years (so cca 6 years old) below half the price.

I was a die hard BMW fan until lately - had a E91, and now have a E60 and F36, but the stuff they produce lately is just not interesting anymore. Part of it is the 435d showed me that I don't really want or need a fast car, but I want a good proper sports car. But they also kind of lost their way with all the SUVs and the ugly heavyweights they churn out lately. They are still lovely cars to drive long distance or commute. They have a lot of small details eg. you can set the temperature of the middle vents so you don't get ice cold air blasted in your face in the summer or hot dry air in the winter. But they just shifted their focus away from sporty and from driving pleasure.

[boy_racer]

Originally Posted by Hiroba Games

BMW will retain its value better there is no doubt.

GR86 is a future collectors car.It may be cheap now or will be cheap over this decade but after 2030-2035 it will rise its value especially the 6MT with electrification and autos.Plus less volume on a good car makes the price go higher.It just takes time until the rise begin.There is no back after that.In Balcans or i must say Europe BMWs are the cheapiest rwd coupes you can find.I mean there are everywhere

I don't really know about Turkey but i don't believe is far from that situation!

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Is finding a lightly used 2020 86 an option? You could stay within the 2 litre tax frame and the difference in cost could pay for a pile of upgraded mods.

These cars are very rare in Turkey and Greece. In my country there is a BRZ which is the show car of Subaru Greece and the other is mines which I brought it from Germany. Toyota was able to sell a few more, but I would say not more than 20 cars in total.