Article from Club4AG speculation of new Toyota 86

[Mim]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Yeah, it is actually pronounced knee-san (nii). I took Japanese for several years. Sorry but the Australians are wrong on this one. It's not neh-sahn or neh-saan. But who really cares.

As someone fluent in Hiragana and Katakana I am both delighted and ashamed at this discovery. I think I just got owned!

Thanks for the correction!

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Mim

As someone fluent in Hiragana and Katakana I am both delighted and ashamed at this discovery. I think I just got owned!

Thanks for the correction!

Hiragana and Katakana is the written language. Did someone ever teach you how to properly pronounce it? Japanese pronunciation is pretty clear-cut. If it is spelled "Nissan," it can only be pronounced one way.

Also, all you have to do is YouTube a Japanese person pronouncing it: (at the end)

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0KsKBiNow4"]Nissan Skyline GT R ~ R34 Japanese Commercial - YouTube[/ame]

[Packofcrows]

Originally Posted by CatScan

Bet that shows up in that Aussie car mag as a real thing for the next-gen.

[Mim]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Hiragana and Katakana is the written language. Did someone ever teach you how to properly pronounce it? Japanese pronunciation is pretty clear-cut. If it is spelled "Nissan," it can only be pronounced one way.

Also, all you have to do is YouTube a Japanese person pronouncing it: (at the end)

Yea all over pronunciation but, the odd thing is even the spoken word in Japanese sounds like the AU version.

There is only a mild Ni coming through. When hearing Nissan spoken by American car reviewers I tend to hear them over emphasize the Ni almost like they are reading it out as Ni-san with a period for emphasis after the Ni.

Kinda splitting hairs at this point. I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong. Just my interpretation of hearing it said by people from different countries.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Mim

Yea all over pronunciation but, the odd thing is even the spoken word in Japanese sounds like the AU version.

There is only a mild Ni coming through. When hearing Nissan spoken by American car reviewers I tend to hear them over emphasize the Ni almost like they are reading it out as Ni-san with a period for emphasis after the Ni.

Kinda splitting hairs at this point. I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong. Just my interpretation of hearing it said by people from different countries.

Yeah, maybe we just misunderstood what we meant. Hard to tell through text alone sometimes. And the accents can emphasize things a bit more than we are used to so I can see that. It's all good, mate!

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Toyota says it'll perform better if it will be a manual. And they are not even sure if it'll be a 5hp increase.

Perhaps you didn't read my article...

Remember that while "catalog specs" of the car is 200hp and actual of current car being around 170+/-...

Well, I can guarantee that this one has been revamped to address this discrepancy, which is rather extensive in internal changes. Also on the list of changes are the durability related, so that the engine actually lives longer under severe abuse.

So if the hp gains are 15-20, that would still be under catalog specs, but significantly more than what it may seem on brochures right?


** Hint hint...

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by azian_advanced

I wonder if there are any mechanical changes related to the engine to enhance the response and improve the linearity of the power delivery, or if the changes are entirely in the ECU. I'm also interested to see a dyno comparison to see where the differences lie.

It's rather a lot of components inside and outside of the engine itself... Not just ECU...which probably has the least amount of changes rather...

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Correct, except a second generation version of this car would have a different chassis code, ie; ZC6 zenki/kouki, and ZC7 zenki/Kouki.

Damn, I was hoping Moto would've had/been able to elaborate more on the specifics of the chassis and mechanical changes. Patience is a virtue I guess.

Thanks. You have no idea how much patience I need to have not to spill stuff here...

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Sounds like they weren't really trying to add power, but just wanted to fix the torque dip problem everyone complains about.

Not really, but you're on the right track. Just need to understand vehicle dynamics and tactility part of the entire car, with how things communicate with driver, and responds to his inputs. The effort is all in that essence.

It's not mostly about small things like that, as this is a sports car, not a Camry. The torque dip in the Zenki for all intensive purpose was to give the car great fuel efficiency by running it lean on purpose in that range, where it is often used for cruising and in-town driving... But well under the rpm zone where experienced driver would use on any section of a raceway. But perhaps, with the new exhaust manifold, that's been refined better too... (oops, did I just say something?) You didn't see this... And I was never here.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by Veloist

Zenki & Kouki refer to two versions of 1 generation so it would kind of go like this:

2013-2016 MK1 Zenki
2017-2020 MK1 Kouki

2021-2024 MK2 Zenki
2025-2028 MK2 Kouki

We'd probably use chassis codes too:

2013-2016 ZC6 & ZN6 Zenki
2017-2020 ZC6 & ZN6 Kouki

YES, that's the point and you are SPOT ON... Kudos on behalf of Mr.Tada.

[Moto-P]

http://club4ag.com/meaning-of-kouki-2017-toyota-86/


Here's food for thought today.

[Celica00]

Jeez Moto is it the forum's birthday? What an amazing gift of info this has been

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by hmong337

The fact that they're still keeping that useless speedo is stupid AF. At least give us a meaningful gauge like oil pressure.

My sentiments exactly. I've mentioned this strongly even right at launch in 2012 to request /suggestions to be addressed.

But I guess there are things which took precedence over and beyond this little detail that was part of the refining process.
That, and with the 86 being sold in really wide number of regions which all have increasing regulations on how the speedometers must be, and some of these markets having not enough volume to justify for Toyota to invent a new cluster for each, due to lower volume than Corollas... Current cluster layout perhaps was something approved in all those regions, and too expensive to re-certify.

There's always something. Its part of the modern world we live in.
It's my hypothesis... So don't quote this as fact, but I think something like that would do a lot of explaining, knowing variables that haunt designers today.

[sprintertrueno86]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

http://club4ag.com/meaning-of-kouki-2017-toyota-86/


Here's food for thought today.

Great read and always nice to see you post here.