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Thing is I am going for reliability, I was trying to test and prove where that point is. I don't want a car always in the shop.
Nelsmars only mods are injectors, pump, E85. No exhaust, headers or oil cooler. But any car running over 260HP will need injectors and pump on the FA20. Thats the point where the duty cycle starts getting maxed out. One of the main reasons I am staying conservative is because I don't have to mess with any of that. And the car just works well in all conditions. If you want a rocket then you have to spend more time and money on more supporting mods. But the potential is there.
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Dezoris for President!
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That would ruin my approval ratings.
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Excellent review & video as always @Dezoris. Why "SavageGeese"?
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-1.3 R Toe out front 1/8th Toe in rear 1/16th Much more than that and street wear suffers.
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Good video Dezoris. I don't own a Vortech unit but this is very helpful to the FA20 community.
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I tried Pentosin, and was unimpressed. It still crunched second when cold, and sometimes even when warm. A Canadian member (can't remember who) posted good things about Redline Lightweight Shockproof. I switched about 500 miles ago, and am happy. Cold is as good as the Pentosin, warm is noticeably better. Living in SoCal, I don't contend with super cold starts. It is rated 75w140, so I would think it OK in the cold, while holding up to high track temps better. |
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I have yet to be in or see logs on someone car running 91 or 92 octane that has great performance that would be stable on the track. It wont safely operate under extended load on 91 or 92. You have to run e85 or meth injection along with fuel system upgrades. I just watched evo4g63s tune and drama with Tony tuning on 91 then switching to e85. The car was not happy on 91just was not stable. It went from 190hp to 230 because of fuel. Issue becomes most anyone running this kit hard needs e85 because of cooling and tuning stability. I understand you dont need an IC and it can be tuned around. But this kit is sold world wide with an intercooler. Ecutek directly said they dont understand why it is being sold without one. Secondly you lose flexibility of running all fuels safely and running e85 kills your mpg dropping you into the 17 to 19mpg range. You dont have any of these issues with the vortech which is why its the better kit out of the box on all fuels for street and track and it has more over head. The Innovate with e85 feels great though amazing torque.
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Wow I won't argue with you but you're basically saying the twin screw alternative is not even road worthy. Guess I'll hold off on FI for a while longer. Hope you keep your car and keep us posted with long term stuff. I am a bit surprised you consider the stock suspension perfect, I find the front spring rates a tad too low, it translates into a slight uneasiness taking turns thru hills not a big deal but its there. Have you taken a trip thru rural southern Illinois yet? Thanks again.
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typically i'd never recommend a centrifugal s/c for any application, i view them as an unnecessary compromise, but in this case it's a no-brainer. if you absolutely must go s/c the vortech is the way to go. the innovate kit just doesn't offer much in terms of power out of the box or breathing room, and it seems rushed to market, missing key pieces that need to be there (ic and iat). if you drive an innovate car, there's a real good chance someone with an n/a tune on e85 could outrun you in a straight line. you won't have that in a vortech car. isn't that the whole point of fi? 190-220whp doesn't make for a very fast 86. |
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I don't mean to thread jack (this is an EXCELLENT insight into SCing and is greatly appreciated btw) but has anyone made such an in-depth review on a particular turbo setup?
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I agree except the last sentence , Dezoris's setup is 220hp. To me this is plenty for the street, a bit faster than a stock S2k. I also have always considered a centr. supercharger a compromise as OEM's never use them, but sounds like vortech has the old issues ironed out.
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